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> You nicked the paint on your Bugatti!, Super cars and runners
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post Jan 7 2011, 03:08 AM
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Ok having become a hard core fan of the British Top Gear I am developing an appreciation of those super cars that seem more European than American.

It makes me wonder about what the runners drive. Do you go on a run with a high value car? Think of James Bond's Austin Martin- tricked out in Goldfinger and just a great car that wrecks in Casino Royale. OR are you like Patrtick Swayze in Road House with a knock about for day to day use while keeping the good car hidden away?

Or do you see no point to haivng the car?
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post Jan 7 2011, 03:31 AM
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low key all the way while on a job.

you dont want to be flaunting your expensive ride while on a job. just in case you need to ditch it in a hurry and disapear.

the cheapest run of the mill camry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) would do the trick over any tricked out zonda (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 7 2011, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE (KamikazePilot @ Jan 7 2011, 03:31 AM) *
low key all the way while on a job.

you dont want to be flaunting your expensive ride while on a job. just in case you need to ditch it in a hurry and disapear.

the cheapest run of the mill camry (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) would do the trick over any tricked out zonda (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


If it's not stolen, it's not a Shadowrun. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Jan 7 2011, 03:55 AM
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Fixed the thread title for you. (your --> you).

And Top Gear kicks ass. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 7 2011, 04:00 AM
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Unless you need the expensive ride for a con.
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post Jan 7 2011, 05:15 AM
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One of my currently active characters makes use of a middle-of-the-road(hehe) sedan not too unlike the Shin-Hyung in Arsenal. Got good speed and handling, cheaper than a Eurocar, and with a chameleon coating it doesn't look out of place anywhere, thanks to the fact it can adopt a pre-programmed "rusted-out clunker" pattern whenever it needs to go into the slums or get a brand new glossy black paintjob for the ritzy neighborhoods.

He really oughta take a page from Swayze by keeping the damn thing hidden and use a real clunker, though. It keeps getting scuffed up and damaged. Sometimes by his own team! Can't imagine what a pain it is to recoat an adaptive camouflage paintjob.
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post Jan 7 2011, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jan 6 2011, 11:00 PM) *
Unless you need the expensive ride for a con.

Or to blend in better with your target area.

Generally, the best car is the one that won't be noticed going in or out, IMO. Speed and armament are secondary concerns usually at odds with the first; it's easy enough to hijack a car that looks like some portion of the area vehicles, even if it's a delivery van, (and if it's not, that's a good sign that the run might be more difficult than should be taken on without serious help), but it's hard to find a way to outrun the armed response in said delivery van.

Of course, it helps to have a really fast car aimlessly driving around under remote control, awaiting summons by the driver in case the quiet way fails.
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post Jan 7 2011, 05:55 AM
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Whatever happened to "High Tech and Low Life"? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jan 7 2011, 06:40 AM
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My "old man" character drives a BMW.

He's not especially attached to it, though. It's just a reliable car with four extra mod slots. And lots of hidden surprises. He'll probably get another one when this one inevitably gets trashed.

In his previous Virtual Seattle incarnation he drove a Punisher-style battlevan.

My Rigger drives a Daihatsu-Caterpillar Horseman, among other things. That advanced cargo module can hold an astonishing amount of gear.




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post Jan 7 2011, 08:41 AM
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Hm... Bulldog all the way, sadly. If you are carrying an Steel-Lynx and an assortment of other drones, nothing else has the mix of needed space and low-profile.

Well, my old detective-character was driving a 1969 Corvette Stingray - ultra-oldtimer (But completely switched out engine and transmission. We gave it stats of a Westwind) No tricks, no armor, just an hidden LAW in the trunk. Sometimes STYLE is all you need.
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post Jan 7 2011, 08:53 AM
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Bulldog all the way

We bought out bulldog fifth (tenth?) hand. When we bought it, it was held together by body filler. Now that we have done a few runs, and its bit more shot up, its held together by even more body filler.

The cost of damage to the van is usually the most expensive part of our operations: so I recommend a cheap second hand van from the scrapyard, that your rigger can do up.

My son is playing a mage / rigger in the denver missions, and he likes his ares roadmaster (a lorry). Lorries drive every where at all times of the day and night. They have high body and high armour. His is kitted out with medium lifestyle, so it doubles as a safehouse. Its much easier to hide a concealed turret on the lorry than on a sports car. He did of course want the ejector seat option! Hes just lost his high lifestyle (a shoot out in a posh condominium with the Vory can cause questions to be asked) so having the lorry parked in a cheap warehouse makes a very quick and effective hideout.

On the point of stealing cars: we find that Murphy is always out there, and stealing a car is just asking for a lone star to stop you at the wrong moment.
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:05 AM
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Most of my characters use the monorail or bikes. The rigger has a Westwind, but that's the private car. On runs, a battered-looking van-tank-drone carrier is the vehicle of choice.

Generally, on a job, an expensive car is a no-go. That's something for downtime.
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Jan 7 2011, 12:05 PM) *
Generally, on a job, an expensive car is a no-go. That's something for downtime.

Yeah, expensive cars are pretty stupid vehicle to use on the job, unless the job needs it and even then it's not the smartest idea to use a personal vehicle.
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post Jan 7 2011, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jan 7 2011, 04:08 AM) *
OR are you like Patrtick Swayze in Road House with a knock about for day to day use while keeping the good car hidden away?


That was a pretty smart move of him, considering what that car had to endure. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


If my character has a car, that is typically also used for running, but mostly to get around town and to be inconspicuous and such. When a vehicle is needed in a more direct fashion, it will be acquired for that purpose, unless some old cars are still lying around from earlier (like those two vans my PnP char has "acquired" during a run and which are now used, because they are kinda expendable).

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post Jan 7 2011, 02:09 PM
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A Patrol-1 with chameleon coating pre programmed with designs for various security companies and stocked with gear appropriate for a real police or security vehicle.
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post Jan 7 2011, 04:39 PM
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Just keep your transponder codes up to date, but other than that, fine idea. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 7 2011, 04:44 PM
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You know, I wonder why am I reminded of the "Blue Beetle" from The Dresden Files?
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post Jan 7 2011, 04:56 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jan 7 2011, 11:44 AM) *
You know, I wonder why am I reminded of the "Blue Beetle" from The Dresden Files?



Because Harry would fit in to Shadowrun so easilly it is scary... though he would need a very specific team, the man Hoods too often....
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post Jan 7 2011, 05:11 PM
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You know, I've had a lot of characters trick out motorcycles, or acquire rotorcraft, or boats, or any number of not-exactly-subtle vehicles... But not a single one has ever pursued a supercar, or even a halfway decent sports car, that I can recall. It's quite a strange thing to me, because I'm a "car guy", and I figure if I was a super-criminal with oodles of money, I'd get my ass a fast car. Hell, as soon as my last PC made any money at all, he got himself a BMW 4000GT and tricked it the hell out. I'd go on a run - any run - with a high value car. Sure, it's memorable, but if it's got a faked transponder, a shifting plate, and ruthenium paint, it won't matter - nobody really looks at the *car* in 2070 anyway. They look at the digital signature.

Then again, none of my players understand the attraction of hot hatches, Alfa Romeo, or small roadsters, either. Heathens. Who wouldn't want to go commit crimes in some of these:
Vehicle appearing in my next game as the British "Bracken Thunderbolt Coupe"
Or maybe an Armored BMW 765 is more your speed?
Or a Lotus Esprit GTO?

(I've been making a Euroean vehicle update, you see. Culling concept art from all over the net.)
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post Jan 7 2011, 05:13 PM
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I'd rather have a tricked out bike for most runners or a Spiral or Shin-Hyun for my budget conscious riggers. I also like the Hotspur if I feel like splurging, since it's still quite fast while being beefier and cheaper than a Westwind. Off-road suspension, 16 Body and smart tires are pretty nice if you find yourself taking creative detours through the Barrens.
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post Jan 7 2011, 09:52 PM
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One of my standard automotive purchases for most characters is a non-discript coup (Mercury Comet or whatever) with upgraded pilot, a theft protection system and a large car bomb. Load it with all your necessary bug-out gear, drive it to the long term parking lot at the local airport and program the agent to move the car every 1-2 weeks at random. If you ever need to to disappear, you send out the call and the car comes to wherever you are to pick you up. If anybody gets wise and tries to mess with your stuff... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)
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post Jan 7 2011, 09:53 PM
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My group once did a (filmed) chase away from The Magic Kingdom in a Range Rover 4X4 while armed Jaguar Sports Cars were chasing after them. They found out that their "Great Armor" doesn't work so well against full-auto bursts that have no recoil penalties.

As for myself, I'm from Northern Ontario. If we hit something on the road, we have to make sure it is D-E-D DEAD! Full-Sized Sedans (Ford Americars) and Pick-Up Trucks (Naz) are a must.
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:03 PM
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QUOTE (Adarael @ Jan 7 2011, 12:11 PM) *
You know, I've had a lot of characters trick out motorcycles, or acquire rotorcraft, or boats, or any number of not-exactly-subtle vehicles... But not a single one has ever pursued a supercar, or even a halfway decent sports car,


Thats where the Patrol-1 came in, its got the handling of a sports car for a reasonable price, the fact that its a police/security vehicle is pure bonus. I actually wanted to buy the Ford 115Ti, but the min/maxer in me couldn't justify the price tag on it.
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post Jan 7 2011, 10:25 PM
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QUOTE (Sixgun_Sage @ Jan 7 2011, 11:56 AM) *
Because Harry would fit in to Shadowrun so easilly it is scary... though he would need a very specific team, the man Hoods too often....

Jim Butcher would probably want to play him in a superhero game.

He plays the City of Heroes MMO and actually got permission to play Harry Dresden there.




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post Jan 7 2011, 10:30 PM
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Actually, I used to have a Harry Dresden clone in my group. Worked very well, especially since the Paranormal PI used to be a viable archetype back in the good old days. He had a day job of doing more mundane detective work so he could actually pay for the hooding.
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