Shooting through astral barrier, Can it be done? |
Shooting through astral barrier, Can it be done? |
Jan 12 2011, 06:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 163 Joined: 28-September 09 From: Soldotna, Alaska Member No.: 17,683 |
Wellp, the title about describes the question. My group is hunting ghouls, and the group's mage just learned Astral Barrier, and the group wants to know if they can throw it up and fire at ghouls with impunity. I told them the verdict is out until further notice. What do y'all think?
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Jan 12 2011, 06:14 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
Do you mean Mana Barrier (I'm not familiar with an Astral Barrier spell)? If so, then yes. I can't think of any reason it wouldn't work. It's an invisible barrier on the physical plane (so no visibility modifiers caused because of it), and it stops dual natured beings (so it keeps the ghouls penned in just like you want), but it freely says it allows physical objects (which bullets are) through.
What's the issue? |
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Jan 12 2011, 06:22 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
By the very name alone I thought it was something strictly in the astral. Don't see anything wrong with normal bullets flying through it.
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Jan 12 2011, 06:30 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
Wellp, the title about describes the question. My group is hunting ghouls, and the group's mage just learned Astral Barrier, and the group wants to know if they can throw it up and fire at ghouls with impunity. I told them the verdict is out until further notice. What do y'all think? This depends entirely on whether it is a Physical or Mana type spell. |
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Jan 12 2011, 06:55 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yeah, crazy question. Of course they can shoot through. Poor ghouls. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 12 2011, 07:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 163 Joined: 28-September 09 From: Soldotna, Alaska Member No.: 17,683 |
....poor ghouls is right. This game just got a lot less difficult -.-
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Jan 12 2011, 07:47 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
Being Dual-Natured sucked. I played a shapeshifter in a campaign and it was nothing but trouble. Wards are standard security measures damn near everywhere, and when a projecting mage hovers 10 feet above you and starts throwing mana bolts there is little you can do.
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Jan 12 2011, 01:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 633 Joined: 16-March 05 From: 51° 16' North 7° 11' East Member No.: 7,168 |
Being Dual-Natured sucked. I played a shapeshifter in a campaign and it was nothing but trouble. Wards are standard security measures damn near everywhere, and when a projecting mage hovers 10 feet above you and starts throwing mana bolts there is little you can do. Except you're an eagle-shifter. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jan 12 2011, 01:23 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
The dual natured rules in SR are even more poorly thought out than everything else. They just didn't think of what it really means.
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Jan 12 2011, 01:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 250 Joined: 16-January 09 From: Nowhere near you... unless you happen to be near Cologne. Member No.: 16,776 |
For me Dual Natured has always been more of a weakness than a power...
-CJ |
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Jan 12 2011, 04:25 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
If a dual-natured creature could CHOOSE to turn it on and off, then yes, it would be an advantage.
As is, it's a liability. -k |
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Jan 13 2011, 04:15 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 30-March 03 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 4,355 |
AK, to add some balance back in for your ghouls, remember they can attack the barrier (as dual-natured beings) using the Barrier rules (Core Anniversary, p.166). If its just one ghoul it might be difficult, but a group should be able to plow through it quickly.
If you are really having trouble creating a challenging environment, you can always have a ghoul mage hidden within LOS to counterspell it without drawing much attention. Even if it isn't completely taken down, it should weaken it enough for the ghouls to break through. |
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Jan 14 2011, 01:36 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
I just had the awesome image of watching this situation play out from astral. Thin membrane of glass like material surrounds the group as they retreat towards the cars, the troll has their script kid slung over a shoulder, popping shotgun shells behind him as he moves. while the ork fires an Ares Smartgun from the hip, backpedaling from the slobbering sons of bitches. Meanwhile an elf clad in eccentric clothes holds forth his arms to keep their last hope intact, pumping all he's got into this shield. But as they're fiendish blood red claws come smashing down on it, time after time fractures begin to pop up spreading like a spiderweb through the glass until finally... it shatters. "An easy job they said..."
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Jan 14 2011, 03:38 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
...ghoul mages? I thought brains are what they eat not what they use. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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Jan 15 2011, 06:06 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
BTW, since physical object block astral line of sight, a ghoul should be able to use a gun with iron sights.
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Jan 15 2011, 06:30 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Huh? They can already use guns, with no penalty from lighting, smoke, etc.
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Jan 15 2011, 01:59 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Not withscopes though. Glass is opaque on the astral and ghouls don't have mundane vision since they are blind. Cybereyes would work though.
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Jan 15 2011, 02:22 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's true.
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Jan 15 2011, 04:07 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 30-March 03 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 4,355 |
Not withscopes though. Glass is opaque on the astral and ghouls don't have mundane vision since they are blind. Cybereyes would work though. Oh wow... I never thought about this. There have been a number of times where we have had mages astrally perceiving with some kind of protective eyewear. Chemsealed suits, underwater goggles, full helmets. I never considered that they wouldn't be able to astrally perceive! |
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Jan 15 2011, 04:44 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's an old, separate issue. Mages can astrally-perceive while wearing glasses; no, there's no reason for it, but it just works. There's no reason to even assume that astral sense comes from the eyes. Do a search for the thread about this, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 16 2011, 12:34 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 268 Joined: 30-March 03 From: Denver, CO Member No.: 4,355 |
Thanks Yerameyahu. I should have realized that anything that seemed surprising to me was probably beat to death somewhere on the forum. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jan 16 2011, 12:41 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It *is* surprising. Crazy rules. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Jan 17 2011, 10:10 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
AK, to add some balance back in for your ghouls, remember they can attack the barrier (as dual-natured beings) using the Barrier rules (Core Anniversary, p.166). If its just one ghoul it might be difficult, but a group should be able to plow through it quickly. If you are really having trouble creating a challenging environment, you can always have a ghoul mage hidden within LOS to counterspell it without drawing much attention. Even if it isn't completely taken down, it should weaken it enough for the ghouls to break through. Or just have a bunch of cybered up ghouls(simple cyber eyes is enough or even just a datajack) just calmly walk through the barrier and attack the surprised group in melee. |
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