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Wounded Ronin
post Feb 10 2011, 05:43 AM
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QUOTE (PBTHHHHT @ Feb 9 2011, 07:52 PM) *
That was actually WW1, the weapon in question you're probably thinking of is the chauchat, it was mentioned in different series on History channel, etc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chauchat



I remember learning about the French infantry rifle on a website, where the magazine was an internal magazine, and you had to load it by pushing cartridges in one after the other, such that the possibility of your bullet striking the primer on the next cartridge hard enough to set it off existed. I couldn't believe the magazine design as something you were supposed to use in the middle of a firefight. Makes you feel like they'd have been better off with lever action winchesters or something.

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Just as the Germans adopted the Mauser and the British the Lee-Enfield, so the French opted for the Lebel 8 mm weapon (officially titled the Fusil modele, produced in 1886, and which unusually fired smokeless cartridges) as their rifle of choice during the war years.

Despite its wide use it suffered from a marked practical design flaw. Its eight rounds were loaded, nose to tail fashion, in a tubular magazine placed under the barrel of the rifle. This resulted in slow loading since the operator had to be wary of one round hitting the primer of the cartridge in front, thereby causing a most unwelcome explosion.

Although a better French model, the Berthier (see below), was available from 1916, the Lebel - despite its flaws - continued to be standard issue.


http://www.firstworldwar.com/weaponry/rifles.htm
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post Feb 10 2011, 05:50 AM
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QUOTE (WhiskeyJohnny @ Feb 10 2011, 12:51 AM) *
Ummm, you do realize that the French practically invented smokeless powder, right? And that they basically fought the Germans to a standstill in WWI (despite the fantastically awful Chauchat)? And that they built the first truly modern tank? And that they destroyed the entire Ivorian Air Force in 2004?

I'm sorry, but the French have some seriously scary dudes waiting to do violence in the night (13eme RDP, Legion Etrange, Chasseurs Alpines, to name but three units). They get a bad rap for World War II (unjustifiedly so, in my opinion) and everyone seems to ignore their actions before or since.


This.

BTW, IMO everyone who lives in a former French colony, but who is not French, really should join the Legion Etrange. They get to drink beer and wine!
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post Feb 10 2011, 06:18 AM
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Yep. And the Canadian Ross Rifle's breech blew up if it was put in backwards. And there was no label to tell you the right way.
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post Feb 10 2011, 06:22 AM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 10 2011, 01:50 AM) *
This.

BTW, IMO everyone who lives in a former French colony, but who is not French, really should join the Legion Etrange. They get to drink beer and wine!

Yeah, I'll pass, thanks.
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post Feb 10 2011, 07:08 AM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 10 2011, 06:50 AM) *
This.

BTW, IMO everyone who lives in a former French colony, but who is not French, really should join the Legion Etrange. They get to drink beer and wine!


Don't forget the food ! Smelly cheese, snails and frogs. Yummy. Just the things to build your willpower...

though to be accurate, we eat our snails cooked and only the frog's cooked hind legs rather than the whole raw critter. That's the beginning of decadence and might explains some of our military troubles (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Feb 10 2011, 07:11 AM
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Creole cooking, that's a mighty fine dish! I gar-on-tee!
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post Feb 10 2011, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (WhiskeyJohnny @ Feb 9 2011, 08:51 PM) *
Ummm, you do realize that the French practically invented smokeless powder, right? And that they basically fought the Germans to a standstill in WWI (despite the fantastically awful Chauchat)? And that they built the first truly modern tank? And that they destroyed the entire Ivorian Air Force in 2004?

I'm sorry, but the French have some seriously scary dudes waiting to do violence in the night (13eme RDP, Legion Etrange, Chasseurs Alpines, to name but three units). They get a bad rap for World War II (unjustifiedly so, in my opinion) and everyone seems to ignore their actions before or since.

They have their up sides. Every modern nation has its scary motherfuckers (yes, even Canada). The problem is that they also hold the record for most unbelievably awful military ideas which got past the planning stages into implementation.
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post Feb 10 2011, 03:40 PM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 10 2011, 09:06 AM) *
They have their up sides. Every modern nation has its scary motherfuckers (yes, even Canada). The problem is that they also hold the record for most unbelievably awful military ideas which got past the planning stages into implementation.

We're such nice people because we know how badass we really are. We're the guys in the corner of the bar, sitting quietly, drinking lemonade, while everyone out drinks heavily and shows tattoos and brags about things... Because we have absolutely nothing to prove.

OK, that's JTF2, the rest of us are drinking beer because we just have a little bit to prove. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Feb 10 2011, 04:55 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 10 2011, 07:40 AM) *
We're such nice people because we know how badass we really are. We're the guys in the corner of the bar, sitting quietly, drinking lemonade, while everyone out drinks heavily and shows tattoos and brags about things... Because we have absolutely nothing to prove.

OK, that's JTF2, the rest of us are drinking beer because we just have a little bit to prove. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Still, I think it's pretty impressive that Canada's kept itself so thoroughly out of other countries' business. Your relationships with other countries are such that smart Americans travelling abroad say they're Canadian.
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post Feb 10 2011, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 10 2011, 10:55 AM) *
Still, I think it's pretty impressive that Canada's kept itself so thoroughly out of other countries' business. Your relationships with other countries are such that smart Americans travelling abroad say they're Canadian.


Psst, CanRay, don't tell him about the Canadian mining companies... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)
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post Feb 10 2011, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (CanadianWolverine @ Feb 10 2011, 09:00 AM) *
Psst, CanRay, don't tell him about the Canadian mining companies... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

What about the mining companies?

In any case, the *people* of Canada have a reputation worldwide as nice, polite people. That's worth a lot in my book.
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post Feb 10 2011, 06:32 PM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 10 2011, 12:15 PM) *
What about the mining companies?

In any case, the *people* of Canada have a reputation worldwide as nice, polite people. That's worth a lot in my book.

The first that come to mind are some gold mining companies in Central America and South East Asia, poisoning the environment, stomping on local people's rights and property... that sort of thing.

If you are looking for a foreigner's view on the Canadian psyche as it relates to the rest of the world, check out this British journalist's take on it:

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post Feb 10 2011, 07:13 PM
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Very good job, Pbangarth. Thank you. And Canadian Mining Companies stomp on our own Miners as well. A friend of mine died due to neglect of the corporation and they got away with it due to high priced lawyers, just as one example. (To be fair, most "Canadian" mining companies are "Canadian" in name only now, with figurehead owners. They're typically South American owned now.).

As for USAers that pretend to be Canucks... That pisses me off. A few countries have started to catch onto that trick, and, well... It dilutes the Goodwill we've made in the world.

I'd hate to travel to Holland and not get the treatment a lot of Canucks get there today. (I'm planning on a European trip as part of my bucket list. Hopefully one I can do before it becomes a Bucket List.). Or, worse, be treated like a "Fake Canadian" and have to provide proof that I am. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

One thing I'll point out about Canadian Psychology, we have few heroes, and they're typically the people that failed to do the job they set out to do, but died trying, damnit!
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post Feb 10 2011, 09:31 PM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 10 2011, 01:15 PM) *
What about the mining companies?

In any case, the *people* of Canada have a reputation worldwide as nice, polite people. That's worth a lot in my book.


Canadian women are so beautiful that when I see them I am overwhelmed and want to cry. The weather must create this by giving them great complexions.
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post Feb 10 2011, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Feb 10 2011, 01:31 PM) *
Canadian women are so beautiful that when I see them I am overwhelmed and want to cry. The weather must create this by giving them great complexions.

I knew one canadian woman a few times. She's ok looking, but no stunner.
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post Feb 11 2011, 12:28 AM
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Canadian men and women are no more or less beautiful than anywhere else. We just have all the types of beauty, and a few new types due to multi-racial families.
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post Feb 11 2011, 03:08 AM
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QUOTE (pbangarth @ Feb 10 2011, 10:32 AM) *
The first that come to mind are some gold mining companies in Central America and South East Asia, poisoning the environment, stomping on local people's rights and property... that sort of thing.

If you are looking for a foreigner's view on the Canadian psyche as it relates to the rest of the world, check out this British journalist's take on it:

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Thanks for the article. It made me think.
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post Feb 11 2011, 03:19 AM
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QUOTE (Tyro @ Feb 10 2011, 10:08 PM) *
Thanks for the article. It made me think.

You're welcome. Me too.
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post Feb 11 2011, 03:26 AM
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They did some tests, and it turns out the Gorkhas weren't any good.

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post Feb 11 2011, 03:37 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Feb 11 2011, 03:13 AM) *
As for USAers that pretend to be Canucks... That pisses me off. A few countries have started to catch onto that trick, and, well... It dilutes the Goodwill we've made in the world.

Talked to an Australian the other night at a bar. Asked him to guess where I was from, since I don't have much of an accent. He guessed Canada, but I'm from America, so I asked him why.

He said he was "safe" with that guess - if I were really Canadian, then he would have guessed correctly, and if I were American, I would consider it a compliment. He said if he guessed American and I were Canadian, it might have been insulting...
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post Feb 11 2011, 03:43 AM
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QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Feb 10 2011, 11:37 PM) *
Talked to an Australian the other night at a bar. Asked him to guess where I was from, since I don't have much of an accent. He guessed Canada, but I'm from America, so I asked him why.

He said he was "safe" with that guess - if I were really Canadian, then he would have guessed correctly, and if I were American, I would consider it a compliment. He said if he guessed American and I were Canadian, it might have been insulting...

Might?
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post Feb 11 2011, 03:48 AM
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post Feb 11 2011, 04:02 AM
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I only say that because you were talking with Aussies.

Aussies, Kiwis, and Canucks have a bit of a war history together. Apart, we kick much ass.

Together, well... There's probably a reason we've only fought a few battles together. We scared England too much with the results.

Were it any place else, you'd have likely been ID'd as a USAer, most likely called a "Yankee".
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post Feb 11 2011, 05:05 AM
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I think he was just being polite - you're right, picking an American out of a lineup of foreigners tends to be pretty easy.

But I'm not a Yankee at all - "ya'll come back now, ya hear?"
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post Feb 11 2011, 05:34 AM
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Yeah, I got the full details from an Oakie. But, to most of the world, "Yankee" is synonymous with USAer, and considered more "Accurate" than "American", as that would also include everyone from countries in North, Central, and South America.
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