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[kzt]

Including the NAN and Tir ? If so that's going to be an awfull mess - who knows what kind of astral crap might be awakened by a Great Ghost Dance repeat... And a japanese support for the move isn't likely to make the notion very popular with John Q Public - the californian mess is still a fresh memory.

Sure would be a huge mess. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But deals will be cut, etc.

The ability of the IJN to deliver firepower to the Pacific Coast and a many hundreds of kms inland is important. The IJN also has unfinished business with certain traitorous ex-officers and organizations in California. Other then them, anyone who can be bribed will be be bribed (or otherwise offered effective inducements other then financial), those who can't will have to be made to see reason in "other ways".

A Ghost Dance repeat would be kind of ugly, but it's not going to be a 'bolt from the blue' this time. People will be on the lookout for it. Sat surveillance is a lot better, mages and spirits will tend to notice this kind of thing building, plus Ares and IJ have ability to rapidly deliver a wide range of firepower from orbital platforms. As an example, a gigawatt laser incinerating the mages running the ceremony is likely to limit it's effectiveness.

[Manunancy]

And what's to prevent a 'concerned party' - which includes each and very of the remaing big 6 (out of 10) and probably several states, close to first tier corps and the like to do their own thor-shooting against what looks for all intent and purpose a forcible world-scale takeover that's going to hold a gun to their temples if left unchecked ?

Sure the Imperial Japan and Ares combined make a big chunk of military power, but if they're going for some high-handed miltary annexation, odds are just about everyone else will feel like a target and takes steps. Like pouring ressources to make every military step a Vietnam-like mess of guerilla fighting. Sure the cleanup will be a pain, but compared to caving in and presenting your butt to an Ares/Japan alliance and hoping they'll use some lube, that's a rather easy choice... When you consider the ressources it takes to support z guerilla compared to putting it down, it gets no brainer. The more militaritic and heavy-handed the opposition the easier it is to implement that sort of 'let us you and him fight' strategy.

Even poorly coordinated, that sort of reactions will make that combo a losing proposition in the long (and maybe not so long) run. Bribing or killing any opposition on that scale is way beyond what even Ares and the IJ can afford. Unless your pump GM-enforced blindfolds on each and every other party for failing either to notice the buildup in black ops assets or to wonder 'gee what are they going to use all those black op guys and gear for ?'.

Booting coroprate control of Japan at the expense of ending up a relative pariah, that's doable. Going on an unchecked rampage of world control, that seriously stretches my notion on believability. Especially since your presentation of the events make it sounds like things will roll smooth as silk for the unlikely duo, without anybody being able to lift a finger to put any stick in their wheels. Even after it blows out wide in the open. There's the super-duper operators on on side, and dumb and dumber the clueless and helpess morons on the recieving end. Which doesnt strikes me as a credible description for the like of Lofwyr, Villiers and their ilk.

[TheWanderingJewe...]

And what's to prevent a 'concerned party' - which includes each and very of the remaing big 6 (out of 10) and probably several states, close to first tier corps and the like to do their own thor-shooting against what looks for all intent and purpose a forcible world-scale takeover that's going to hold a gun to their temples if left unchecked ?

Sure the Imperial Japan and Ares combined make a big chunk of military power, but if they're going for some high-handed miltary annexation, odds are just about everyone else will feel like a target and takes steps. Like pouring ressources to make every military step a Vietnam-like mess of guerilla fighting. Sure the cleanup will be a pain, but compared to caving in and presenting your butt to an Ares/Japan alliance and hoping they'll use some lube, that's a rather easy choice... When you consider the ressources it takes to support z guerilla compared to putting it down, it gets no brainer. The more militaritic and heavy-handed the opposition the easier it is to implement that sort of 'let us you and him fight' strategy.

Even poorly coordinated, that sort of reactions will make that combo a losing proposition in the long (and maybe not so long) run. Bribing or killing any opposition on that scale is way beyond what even Ares and the IJ can afford. Unless your pump GM-enforced blindfolds on each and every other party for failing either to notice the buildup in black ops assets or to wonder 'gee what are they going to use all those black op guys and gear for ?'.

Booting coroprate control of Japan at the expense of ending up a relative pariah, that's doable. Going on an unchecked rampage of world control, that seriously stretches my notion on believability. Especially since your presentation of the events make it sounds like things will roll smooth as silk for the unlikely duo, without anybody being able to lift a finger to put any stick in their wheels. Even after it blows out wide in the open. There's the super-duper operators on on side, and dumb and dumber the clueless and helpess morons on the recieving end. Which doesnt strikes me as a credible description for the like of Lofwyr, Villiers and their ilk.

sorry for the bit of Threadomancy, but I've hada bit of time to look this over. Assuming that S-K and Aztlan keep to each other as targets, what is the likely reponse?

I can see the other Corporations taking notice and trying to take advantage of the situation, but Lofwyr probably has gotten better at Intell since the whole Horizon Debacle and is keeping a sharp eye on the Other Corps. But assuming he finds out about what Azltan is up to on the meta physical end. He can't jsut take that laying down...

[Faelan]

sorry for the bit of Threadomancy, but I've hada bit of time to look this over. Assuming that S-K and Aztlan keep to each other as targets, what is the likely reponse?

I can see the other Corporations taking notice and trying to take advantage of the situation, but Lofwyr probably has gotten better at Intell since the whole Horizon Debacle and is keeping a sharp eye on the Other Corps. But assuming he finds out about what Azltan is up to on the meta physical end. He can't jsut take that laying down...

Obviously your table is your table, that being said if Aztechnology was in fact guilty of "Summoning Horrors", and pushing the cycle forward, and there was real evidence of it S-K woul dbe the least of their worries. Lofwyr would undoubtedly call together the Great Dragons and urge group action. This would almost surely get the go ahead from every GD, at which point we start looking at who has which CEO, CC Member, AAA, AA, A, and National Governments in their back pockets. Lofwyr owns S-K out in the open; Lofwyr is a little full of himself even for a dragon. The rest keep their control of power structures hidden, but they will expose themselves to take care of a large enough threat. You can almost count on the Corporate Court issuing an Omega Order against Aztechnology due to this secret governing structure, sure some highly placed individuals might realize that they are taking orders ultimately from a giant lizard, but most won't, and regardless it will be in their best interest to keep it secret or well they might find themselves sleeping with the fish.

All in all it would be a quick brutal affair, and in the end Aztechnology would be greatly weakened, get a new board, and CEO, and move on from there. Nature abhors a vacuum, and the fight for the remains of the #2 AAA might actually cause more damage, so you can bet that it would be in the best interest of the existing powers that be to allow them off the hook after sufficient chastisement. You know the Horror you know is better than the one you don't.

[hermit]

Let's toss a Theoretical out the door here and say the Two Big boys on the Block, Namely Sader-Krupp and Aztecnology decide to go at it Hammer and Claw and to hell with the Corporate Court.

World War. Aztech has more or less bagged the PPG, which is several medium sized corps and Wuxing. SK has it's claws sunk into most of Europe, the Middle East, Russia, and parts of North America (and leads the EuroCorps). It's be Old World versus Asia, and the battlefield would likely be North America, where both are about on equal footing, drawing Ares into the fray to fight for itself.

And if the gloves come off, the corps don't give a fuck on the ICC. See the novel Shadowdancer, where this almost happens. Also, it is good.