Breaking 35BP limit, RC tells me I can! Options

[Makki]

RC p108

Quadriplegic
Bonus: 20 BP (10 BP if character possesses Full Immersion Lifestyle)
Quadriplegic characters are paralyzed from the neck down
and cannot perform physical tasks of any kind. The Quadriplegic
quality does not affect a character’s Attributes or use of Mental
Skills. Use the character’s Physical Attributes for calculating abili-
ties such as Reaction per standard rules. If desired, a character with
the Quadriplegic quality may take the Infirm quality as well.

so...Infirm is 20BP as well (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

Be my guest. Quadriplegic + Infirm – Full Immersion… enjoy your extra 5 BP.

[Whipstitch]

Have fun being incredibly vulnerable to any would-be captors who find your meat body.

[Mardrax]

...Because sometimes, being "locked up" in a high security deltagrade shadowclinic is worth it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Ol' Scratch]

How exactly are you paying for that? I'm pretty sure the costs for that kind of extended medical care in a regular hospital as a lifestyle is staggering. Being in such a high security location with deltagrade medical professionals is probably a few bucks more.

[Squinky]

I wonder how many extra build points you can get if your character doesn't exist at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Udoshi]

How exactly are you paying for that? I'm pretty sure the costs for that kind of extended medical care in a regular hospital as a lifestyle is staggering. Being in such a high security location with deltagrade medical professionals is probably a few bucks more.

I would do it with Trust Fund 2.

You can fit a LOT of stuff in an automatic High lifestyle.

if you're resorting to a full immersion lifestyle, though....

Infirm(20)+Quadrapalegic(20-10) is only 30. So the extra points don't pan out.

If you can make decent Availability tests, or have a real estate agent as a contact, you can get around this by picking up your free lifestyle AFTER character creation. After all, you can buy and sell them, so you just pick yours up in play.

[Makki]

Steven Hawking would love the 60s and 70s. working via VR and AR ...

[Ol' Scratch]

No. Extended Care is a unique lifestyle, and that's just for a regular type of hospital. I think its something ridiculous like 1,000 nuyen a day, or roughly three times as much as a High Lifestyle. Being in a deltaclinic and constantly tended by such medical personnel would be in excess of even a standard Luxury lifestyle.

Let's see. Comforts: Luxury (fully pampered). Entertainment: Luxury (full access to the Matrix and whatnot). Necessities: High (everything you need and more, including constant medical attention, but lowered to High to account for only having one room). Neighborhood: Luxury-AAA. Security: Luxury (actually higher than Luxury, but such a rating doesn't exist). Qualities would include Concerned Neighbors, Privacy Screen 3 x3, Quiet Neighborhood, Security Conscious, and Well Made. So that's 45 Lifestyle Points, or 475,000 nuyen a month.

[Fatum]

No. Extended Care is a unique lifestyle, and that's just for a regular type of hospital. I think its something ridiculous like 1,000 nuyen a day, or roughly three times as much as a High Lifestyle. Being in a deltaclinic and constantly tended by such medical personnel would be in excess of even a standard Luxury lifestyle.

Let's see. Comforts: Luxury (fully pampered). Entertainment: Luxury (full access to the Matrix and whatnot). Necessities: High (everything you need and more, including constant medical attention, but lowered to High to account for only having one room). Neighborhood: Luxury-AAA. Security: Luxury (actually higher than Luxury, but such a rating doesn't exist). Qualities would include Concerned Neighbors, Privacy Screen 3 x3, Quiet Neighborhood, Security Conscious, and Well Made. So that's 45 Lifestyle Points, or 475,000 nuyen a month.

While I agree that a stay in the delta clinic must be expensive, I'd argue with Entertainment: Luxury. Entertainment includes things like restaurant bills, club memberships (and for Luxury, those are some pretty expensive clubs) and so on. Nothing of these a quadriplegic character does. Matrix access is covered in Necessities, as well. Yeah, okay, sure, some entertainment is Matrix-based, so he could be spending that much, but I wouldn't say that's in any way necessary.

Anyway, Quadriplegic is a ridiculous quality. A bias against a common group, something every damn NPC in 3E was suggested to have, if I remember correctly, is worth like two thirds of its BP cost. Hell, there are allergies that cost half as much. Now think how Quadriplegic is limiting your options, and how those other qualities do - really, why would you even take that? For roleplaying reasons? You can stay in bed without being paralyzed.

[CanRay]

Argent's Decker, Peg, was paraplegic. And a monster on the Matrix.

Sometimes, when I'm feeling my wheaties, I want to write a story with Argent in it... But then I think better and know that I don't have the true skill to do that.

[Mardrax]

No. Extended Care is a unique lifestyle, and that's just for a regular type of hospital. I think its something ridiculous like 1,000 nuyen a day, or roughly three times as much as a High Lifestyle. Being in a deltaclinic and constantly tended by such medical personnel would be in excess of even a standard Luxury lifestyle.

Let's see. Comforts: Luxury (fully pampered). Entertainment: Luxury (full access to the Matrix and whatnot). Necessities: High (everything you need and more, including constant medical attention, but lowered to High to account for only having one room). Neighborhood: Luxury-AAA. Security: Luxury (actually higher than Luxury, but such a rating doesn't exist). Qualities would include Concerned Neighbors, Privacy Screen 3 x3, Quiet Neighborhood, Security Conscious, and Well Made. So that's 45 Lifestyle Points, or 475,000 nuyen a month.

Environment might as well be very bad indeed. Entertainment should also in no way be Luxury, if all you have is a matrix connection. Subscriptions optional. Call it a premium service MSP, with probably some extras. Comforts is debatable as you do get a full staff of "servants", but all you get for furniture is a massage bed, and a biomonitor, hooked up to a drip feed and some autoinjectors. And probably a few folding chairs, shared by other residents, in case you ever get visitors.

Edit:
Come to think of it, in case of having suffered brain damage or whatnot, a super-plat DocWagon contract might well set you up.

[James McMurray]

I wonder how many extra build points you can get if your character doesn't exist at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It costs 110 BP (AI in RC, p. 88). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[James McMurray]

I wonder how many extra build points you can get if your character doesn't exist at all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

It costs 110 BP (AI in RC, p. 88). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

Since we're talking about it: what were the writers thinking? Quad says "cannot perform physical tasks of any kind", so in what universe would you get full (hell, *any*) BP for Infirm ("cost for learning or improving Physical skills is twice normal" and "represents a character with substandard physical fitness."). If you tried to combine any other qualities that so obviously shouldn't stack (fluffwise) or cancel penalties (crunchwise), the GM would murder you. But this gets explicit approval? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Ol' Scratch]

Environment might as well be very bad indeed.

It's a deltaclinic. AA at the very least, AAA in many cases. That's anything but "very bad."

Entertainment should also in no way be Luxury, if all you have is a matrix connection.

No, that may be all you can access due to your crappy choice in qualities, but you'd have all the entertainment you'd want in such a luxury facility. It's not their fault your life is miserable, but it's nowhere near as miserable as it could be. They're called "negative qualities" for a reason.

Comforts is debatable as you do get a full staff of "servants", but all you get for furniture is a massage bed, and a biomonitor, hooked up to a drip feed and some autoinjectors. And probably a few folding chairs, shared by other residents, in case you ever get visitors.

See above. Your Lifestyle isn't about what you take advantage of, but what you have access to. You can't buy a mansion and try to pass it off as a Low Lifestyle just because you spend all your time either in your bedroom or office.

Come to think of it, in case of having suffered brain damage or whatnot, a super-plat DocWagon contract might well set you up.

No it wouldn't, just a 50% discount on your "lifestyle." So hey, down to 237,000 nuyen a month plus another 100,000/year, most of which you don't get to take advantage.

[Makki]

Infirm is the worst quality ever as it concerns all Stealth skills and Perception as well. Which a Rigger needs for his drones (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

Well, there's always RC. Maybe a Technomancer. Still, yuck.

[Mardrax]

It's a deltaclinic. AA at the very least, AAA in many cases. That's anything but "very bad."

"Owned and run by a AAA" does not equate "being in the best of the best neighbourhoods". In fact, a high security facility might as well be stuck in some Barrens like area, in some rural countryside, or even out at sea somewhere. No ammount of NWA is going to change feelings of breaking into or out of the place.

No, that may be all you can access due to your crappy choice in qualities, but you'd have all the entertainment you'd want in such a luxury facility. It's not their fault your life is miserable, but it's nowhere near as miserable as it could be.

See Fatum's earlier comment. You're not out there with the rich and famous, drinking Crystal from crystal glasses, while having backdoor access to the lowest level of Dante's, and permanently being on the guest list for presidential parties. Also, high-sec, with SotA medical equipment does not mean great entertainment. In fact, it tends to mean very little entertainment at all. Whatever way you look at it,

Life exists to entertain you. If you want it, you can have it.
Examples: Top artists grace private parties at your home, you tour the set of your favorite tridshow whenever you like, and you play customized VR games made just for you and your friends. You have a regular table on the bottom floor of Dante’s (yes, in Hong Kong, London, and Seattle). You can afford exclusive treatments at Evo’s Red Star Clinic. You take a vacation on Evo’s Shibanokuji Freefall Resort, just to get away from it all.

does not even come close.
Edit: In fact, leaving Entertainment out of it entirely, and treating it like living in a hotel would probably be best. Both mechanically and thematically. Adding 6 to the all-luxury hotel suite would put it at 100k a month. This seems actually seems appropriate, as it almost triples up on what I know hospitalisation to generally cost on a non-IC unit. Even for an IC unit, it's still pretty much a double-up. And really, all that's needed over a "normal" high end hospital is the high-sec element.

See above. Your Lifestyle isn't about what you take advantage of, but what you have access to. You can't buy a mansion and try to pass it off as a Low Lifestyle just because you spend all your time either in your bedroom or office.

You can however rent a room in a shared appartment, and pass it off as a single, furnished room. Which is what you're doing. And it's a sparsely furnished room at that.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

It's a deltaclinic. AA at the very least, AAA in many cases. That's anything but "very bad."

No, that may be all you can access due to your crappy choice in qualities, but you'd have all the entertainment you'd want in such a luxury facility. It's not their fault your life is miserable, but it's nowhere near as miserable as it could be. They're called "negative qualities" for a reason.

See above. Your Lifestyle isn't about what you take advantage of, but what you have access to. You can't buy a mansion and try to pass it off as a Low Lifestyle just because you spend all your time either in your bedroom or office.

No it wouldn't, just a 50% discount on your "lifestyle." So hey, down to 237,000 nuyen a month plus another 100,000/year, most of which you don't get to take advantage.

Actually there Ol' Scratch, what you would be wanting is the Full Immersion Lifestyle... Look it up in Unwired, it is exactly what you are describing, and does not require a Delta Clinic in any way, shape, or form. 30,000/Month and you enjoy all the benefits of a Hospitalized Lifestyle as well.

Anyways... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

[Ol' Scratch]

I didn't say it required a delta clinic. Someone else did (implying that by doing so, the character was completely safe). I was pointing out how you're not going to be able to afford that, and how things like Full Immersion or Hospital Care (which are pretty much the same thing) do not include being pampered and nigh invulnerable in a deltaclinic.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I didn't say it required a delta clinic. Someone else did (implying that by doing so, the character was completely safe). I was pointing out how you're not going to be able to afford that, and how things like Full Immersion or Hospital Care (which are pretty much the same thing) do not include being pampered and nigh invulnerable in a deltaclinic.

That point is very true... sorry if the wires got crossed there... Though a Full Immersion Lifestyle is pretty darn safe I would bet. Well, as safe as 24 hour hospitalized care can be anyways. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Glyph]

Note that Quadriplegic only gives you 10 BP if you have a full immersion lifestyle, so the only way to get that 40 points is to be Infirm, Quadriplegic, and not have a full immersion lifestyle. Which kind of limits your options, really.

[Whipstitch]

Hospital care is safe in general but being a shadowrunning hacker complicates things a fair bit, given the way Trace works-- it's an extended test, so given a long enough timeline, someone competent will succeed unless the GM deems otherwise, and even Spoofing and Access ID trickery lets people narrow it down to an area fairly close to an access node-- well, unless you use satellites and crap and are thus willing to halve your Response. Normally, that liability is just circumvented by being a moving target. If a Hacker has any brains he'll do his most dangerous work either on-site so he can access hardwired networks or if he does so remotely he'll do it from a location he can simply leave with a minimum of fuss, like a coffin motel or while using public transit or whatever. A hospital may still be a busy node with plenty of people checking in and out with fair regularity, but even so I still wouldn't want to narrow things down like that given that it isn't beyond the means of a corporation or syndicate to skip the warrant and arrange for your Full VR Infirm Quadriplegic to be shuffled off this mortal coil in an unfortunate medical mishap. I mean, hey, at my table, such groups don't really bother with petty li'l things like vengeance very often since if nothing else it's rarely worth the effort, so it's not like I think guys would come kicking in your door the first time out. But with that said, it's still pretty ballsy to hack from where you live. I'm sure you could arrange to be transferred around, or whatever, but I'd still much prefer to make like Count Zero w/ drone helpers and be able to drop on and off the grid relatively unencumbered than do it from a legit hospital.



...

Man, I really must be bored tonight, because god knows it's not like anyone takes Full Immersion or the Quadriplegic/Infirm type stuff for the point costs even discounting all that text I just spewed.

[KarmaInferno]

Hmm...

Wonder what the long term costs are of living in a mana-shielded secret Valkyrie unit?




-k