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> Finally got around to reading the Sixth World Almanac, Alternatively: can /dev/grrrl please go away?
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post Mar 10 2011, 05:19 AM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 9 2011, 11:45 PM) *
That's because the English an articles make no the sense.
And the rules for when you need them are super-nonintuitive.

But [US] English lets you use words like "super-nonintuitive" ;)

I'd never heard of dev/grrl ? but reminds me of why I lament the cultural influences of the present www on SR's matrix, probably from about the time of Matrix in SR3.
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post Mar 10 2011, 05:38 AM
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She's the "New Kid" on the JackPoint whose reason for being is severely in question. I've used the term "Eternal September" a few times... Often in reference to "everyone" being in the Matrix in the '70s, and a few other issues.

September was often a bad time for Usenet, as a lot of new students would find themselves with an e-mail address and access to Usenet for the first time ever. And it'd be up to the "Old Folks" on the Internet to teach them the early forms of Netiquette and such. In 1993, when Internet services started becoming available to people frequently and giving people access to Usenet as part of their services (Remember when AOL would keep sending you disks in the mail? If not, go to sleep! It's past your bedtime!), and the influx of newbies from all about the place, some of whom were quite unprepared to even contemplate that there were different codes of conduct to be found in this new place, not to mention a newly available anonymous ability to post and not be connected to yourself which gave some people feelings of power. Yeah, things went downhill fast.

The "Old Hat" of Usenet called it "The Eternal September" or "The September That Never Ended". Some say it's ended now that Usenet isn't used much any more by major ISPs, but, well, I figure it's just moved on.

I, and likely a number of old Deckers who remember their Matrix History, are likely to dub the creation and dispersion of the Wireless Matrix as a "Second Eternal September".

If /dev/grrl is supposed to be a prime example of that, then she does a damned good job. If she's supposed to be taken seriously, well... Give the character over to me for a few stories. By the time I'm done with her, she'll either be sobbing next to me in my corner when my Tech Support days come back to me, or she'll be as cynical and crotchety as the rest of the folks on JackPoint. She might even survive with some Girlishness intact. But that Unicorn Icon of hers will have some Serrated Steel Teeth and the horn will have Spikes on it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)
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post Mar 10 2011, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE (Link @ Mar 10 2011, 08:19 AM) *
But [US] English let's you use words like "super-nonintuitive" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
No, not really.
In fact, strapping super- onto a word is hardly a unique feature of English, which can't be found anywhere else.
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post Mar 10 2011, 06:58 PM
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But you can combine multiple words into German to make Voltron!

Like "Maschinengewehrkraftwagen"!
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post Mar 10 2011, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Mar 10 2011, 12:07 AM) *
the Paris material apparently in the French release of Corporate Enclaves (right?)

French authors added a full chapter on Marseille in Runner Havens French release. Corporate Enclaves included Manhattan, the only new material being a few pages on Lille. Paris hasnt been fully covered since the old France sourcebook in 1997.
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post Mar 10 2011, 07:52 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 10 2011, 09:58 PM) *
But you can combine multiple words into German to make Voltron!

Like "Maschinengewehrkraftwagen"!
I remember some German here (sorry, don't remember who exactly, I have terrible memory for names, unlike faces) complaining that we furreigners are doing it wrong.
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post Mar 10 2011, 08:02 PM
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QUOTE (Fatum @ Mar 10 2011, 03:52 PM) *
I remember some German here (sorry, don't remember who exactly, I have terrible memory for names, unlike faces) complaining that we furreigners are doing it wrong.

That's the actual name for a WWII military vehicle class. Apparently, it means something like "Machine Gun Truck" or some such. So this would be a case of Germans doing it wrong if it's wrong. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Mar 10 2011, 08:03 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 10 2011, 07:58 PM) *
But you can combine multiple words into German to make Voltron!

Like "Maschinengewehrkraftwagen"!

I don't think i have seen the Maschinengewehrkraftwagen anywhere yet . .
And i have enough buddies in our armed forces to make up my own mercenary unit of specialists . .
We'd just be a bit thin on the grunts i'm afraid . .
But yes, you CAN do some pretty silly stuff in german. Behold: Galvatron . . err, no, wrong text . .
Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaftcapitänsmützenpoliturdosenhalterschraube
rough translation:
screw for holder of a cup of polish for the hat of a captain of the danube steam ship company.
Yes, it's basically a one sentence word. It's a whole sentence in one word.

Also: Yes, our Books are superior! *snickers* ^^
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post Mar 10 2011, 08:05 PM
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German Superliterature laughs at your lack of syllables! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Oh, and I got it from here.
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post Mar 11 2011, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (Nath @ Mar 10 2011, 02:41 PM) *
French authors added a full chapter on Marseille in Runner Havens French release. Corporate Enclaves included Manhattan, the only new material being a few pages on Lille. Paris hasnt been fully covered since the old France sourcebook in 1997.

This is why I love Dumpshock. No lie.
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post Mar 11 2011, 04:30 AM
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Linguistics grad student here. If you think German's bad, you ain't seen nothin'.

Check out Western Greenlandic Inuktitut.

Aliikusersuillammassuaanerartassagaluarpaalli.
aliiku-sersu-i-llammas-sua-a-nerar-ta-ssa-galuar-paal-li
entertainment-provide-SEMITRANS-one.good.at-COP-say.that-REP-FUT-sure.but-3.PL.SUBJ/3SG.OBJ-but
'However, they will say that he is a great entertainer, but ...'

Or Classical Ainu.

Usaopuspe aejajkotujmasiramsujpa.
usa-opuspe a-e-jaj-ko-tujma-si-ram-suj-pa
various-rumors 1-APL-REFL-far-REFL-heart-sway-ITER
'I keep swaying my heart afar and toward myself over various rumors.' (i.e., I wonder about various rumors.)
(Shibatani 1990: 72)

This is why I do SE Asian languages. We don't have none of this morphological bullshit.
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post Mar 11 2011, 04:38 AM
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Or Welsh.

...

Let's not go there.
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post Mar 11 2011, 05:56 AM
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Welsh phonology is as scary or scarier than the morphology if you ask me.
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post Mar 11 2011, 06:15 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 10 2011, 11:38 PM) *
Or Welsh.

...

Let's not go there.

Rhy hwyr.

(Too late!)
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post Mar 11 2011, 06:18 AM
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that looks enough like something from cthulu to give me the willies
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post Mar 11 2011, 06:33 AM
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QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 10 2011, 10:18 PM) *
that looks enough like something from cthulu to give me the willies



And this is what it sounds like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nV8d9ParDis


edited for link fail
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post Mar 11 2011, 07:49 AM
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You guys are looking at /dev/ all wrong.

Just pretend she is a year-old metasapient AI housed in a clone body. That's what I choose to believe, and my world is instantly better for doing so..
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post Mar 11 2011, 08:26 AM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 10 2011, 09:03 PM) *
I don't think i have seen the Maschinengewehrkraftwagen anywhere yet . .


Dude.
1. Use Google.
2. Read the first two or three entries popping up about "Maschinengewehrkraftwagen".
3. Think.
4. Now, and only now, post a reply to this thread.
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post Mar 11 2011, 08:58 AM
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That's pre WW2.
And i said i have never SEEN OR HEARD about that yet.
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post Mar 11 2011, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Mar 11 2011, 09:58 AM) *
That's pre WW2.


Exactly. No surprise that you've never seen one in action, hm? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Mar 11 2011, 05:24 PM
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QUOTE (Grinder @ Mar 11 2011, 04:26 AM) *
3. Think.

I always get stuck at this part. I try, but nothing happens.
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post Mar 11 2011, 05:39 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 11 2011, 12:24 PM) *
I always get stuck at this part. I try, but nothing happens.



Hmmm, could this t be due to a dropbear encounter?

(PS:Is there a dropbear emoticon?)
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post Mar 11 2011, 05:40 PM
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Never had an encounter with GETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFFGETITOFF!!!
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post Mar 11 2011, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE
*snip* I heavily dislike /dev/grrrl *snip*


I'm turning into hermit, or something.

Heh.

Also, my favourite ('favourite') part of the Almanac is the part where your favourite writes a school work on Deus.

Seriously, that is so wrong on so many, many levels ...
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