[X] My Assistant

[ggodo]

Heh.

Also, my favourite ('favourite') part of the Almanac is the part where your favourite writes a school work on Deus.

Seriously, that is so wrong on so many, many levels ...

Ok, what section is that in? I think I need to read that.

[hermit]

Page 83, "Corporate Downfall", her shadowtalk.

[MYST1C]

I think it's called Die .6 Der Welt (and here comes the Germans to correct me, thanks guys) - and see what the book should have been - a book worthy of the twenty year anniversary of SR.

I postet a complete rundown of the book's contents here back when it was released.

[ggodo]

Ah, I thought she'd written the Corporate Downfall section. That's much less entertainingly bad. Though I do think it's funny she wrote a paper on it. Not like anyone makes it out of the Arcology alive. At least, it looks like the scariest adventure ever from a lethality perspective. That thing is deadly, and I'm not overly familiar with 3e.

[MYST1C]

Hey, did the German company put out a version of War!?

A German version is in the works. It will include the MilSpecTech e-book as additional content (just as the German Street Magic re-release includes Digital Grimoire and the German Corporate Enclaves includes Manhattan).
Some of the original contents will be replaced by new stuff - there won't be any of the racist crap (Auschwitz, gypsies) in the German version!

[ggodo]

Anyone else feel like the Shadowtalk and the articles in 6WA were written by people who never shared notes or communicated? The maintext will be on one thing, and the shadowtalk will all be on some totally different subject like it was the subject of the article. It's really confusing. The Year of The Comet blurb is a few eyewitness accounts of Ghostwalker and the rift, and the shadowtalk is all about the probe attempts by various corps to shoot the comet. In the Corporate Downfall section the blurb is about voodooels and the shadowtalk is about /dev/grrrrl's homework and Slamm-O name-dropping Dumpshock. None of which relate in any way. Who designed this?

[Mäx]

Anyone else feel like the Shadowtalk and the articles in 6WA were written by people who never shared notes or communicated? The maintext will be on one thing, and the shadowtalk will all be on some totally different subject like it was the subject of the article. It's really confusing. The Year of The Comet blurb is a few eyewitness accounts of Ghostwalker and the rift, and the shadowtalk is all about the probe attempts by various corps to shoot the comet.

Their not commenting the article, their commenting the year in question and the big think for runners that year was the probe race of the corps.

[hermit]

Ah, I thought she'd written the Corporate Downfall section. That's much less entertainingly bad. Though I do think it's funny she wrote a paper on it. Not like anyone makes it out of the Arcology alive. At least, it looks like the scariest adventure ever from a lethality perspective. That thing is deadly, and I'm not overly familiar with 3e.

It certasinly is and even if you make it out, running with it like you are supposed to, the PCs are dead.

what's so amusing is that this little note nullifies the entire premise of Emergence. Which is that nobody knows AI are real and they enter the world stage as something new and exciting, as opposed to the Matrix equivalent of a nuclear meltdown. Going with that in mind - that school children write essays on Deus - this is like a worldwide pro nuclear power movement inspired by the Tschernobyl meltdown (and, probably, Fukushima). Not very plausible at all.

[Sengir]

Not yet, but it's in the making. http://sirdoomsbadcompany.wordpress.com/20...einsatz-status/

Note that the cover is just a mock-up, they will probably do something about that black bar at the bottom.

Just a quick follow-up, here be cover with dragon

[ravensmuse]

Damn you Germans for getting better coverwork (and writing!) than us Merkins! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Fatum]

Ah, I thought she'd written the Corporate Downfall section. That's much less entertainingly bad. Though I do think it's funny she wrote a paper on it. Not like anyone makes it out of the Arcology alive. At least, it looks like the scariest adventure ever from a lethality perspective. That thing is deadly, and I'm not overly familiar with 3e.

A lot of people making it out of the Arcology alive and suffering related stress disorders is canon.
Actually, the whole Network arc is based on that.

Their not commenting the article, their commenting the year in question and the big think for runners that year was the probe race of the corps.

They're = they are. Their = belonging to them.

what's so amusing is that this little note nullifies the entire premise of Emergence. Which is that nobody knows AI are real and they enter the world stage as something new and exciting, as opposed to the Matrix equivalent of a nuclear meltdown. Going with that in mind - that school children write essays on Deus - this is like a worldwide pro nuclear power movement inspired by the Tschernobyl meltdown (and, probably, Fukushima). Not very plausible at all.

Well, by 2072 the world at large knows about AIs, minding that there have been citizenship applications and related media fuss, and that.
Whether the general public knows about Deus is another question altogether; but what one megacorp knows, soon makes it into the rumors

[hermit]

A lot of people making it out of the Arcology alive and suffering related stress disorders is canon.
Actually, the whole Network arc is based on that.

10%, making the Arcology incident still a catastrophe as large as 2004's Christmas Tsunami. The death toll is next to the same. The death toll for Tschernobyl (official) is not a tenth of that. Just to keep in mind how catastrophic this was. And with deus' being behind this known, all the fuzzywuzzy acceptance of AI as exciting, new and cuddly is just highly unplausible.

Whether the general public knows about Deus is another question altogether

Since a bloody school child knows, it's hardly Top Secret. And she not only heared vague rumors,s he read the entire Arcology sourcebook. And wrote an essay on it. And published it on her corp school network. And nothing happened to her.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Since a bloody school child knows, it's hardly Top Secret. And she not only heared vague rumors,s he read the entire Arcology sourcebook. And wrote an essay on it. And published it on her corp school network. And nothing happened to her.

Most people treat children with a lot of patience, especially when it appears that they have such a vivid imagination. Just because she wrote it does not make it true. And lets not forget, the facts are in the Shadows, not in the mainstream. /dev/grrl/ is a Shadow person, not a simple child.

[hermit]

Most people treat children with a lot of patience, especially when it appears that they have such a vivid imagination.

You very obviously have zero experience with how totalitarian systems work.

And lets not forget, the facts are in the Shadows, not in the mainstream. /dev/grrl/ is a Shadow person, not a simple child.

Have you even read the shadowtalk in question?

[Fatum]

10%, making the Arcology incident still a catastrophe as large as 2004's Christmas Tsunami. The death toll is next to the same. The death toll for Tschernobyl (official) is not a tenth of that. Just to keep in mind how catastrophic this was. And with deus' being behind this known, all the fuzzywuzzy acceptance of AI as exciting, new and cuddly is just highly unplausible.

Yeah, it was a disaster, and yeah, I agree wholeheartedly that the world being accepting towards the AIs and the technos makes no sense. Putting it short, I'm with Clockwork on this one.
My point was - there were survivors, unlike what ggodo thought.

[CanRay]

Most people treat children with a lot of patience, especially when it appears that they have such a vivid imagination. Just because she wrote it does not make it true. And lets not forget, the facts are in the Shadows, not in the mainstream. /dev/grrl/ is a Shadow person, not a simple child.

There's patience, and there's "That's a bit too close to the truth, let's take her out to the Space Camp where we can re-educate her into being a space cadet. And everyone else in her class will be jealous of her rather than thinking it's a bad thing!"

Also, she's a Simple Shadow Child. Honestly, I keep expecting to read about how she was turned into a bullet sponge and Butch complaining about the number of times she's had to get fixed up in a way that won't have the schools crying out about child abuse on her parents.

I wish I was more reliable in my writing (Just found out where that issue comes from, BTW, so that might be changing soon!), I'd give her a few stories that'll change her outlook on life a fair bit and at least use a damned DataSearch Program before opening her Soypie Hole!

[hermit]

Yeah, it was a disaster, and yeah, I agree wholeheartedly that the world being accepting towards the AIs and the technos makes no sense. Putting it short, I'm with Clockwork on this one.
My point was - there were survivors, unlike what ggodo thought.

Agree on all you wrote. I had the same feeling, regarding Clockwork, reading Emergence.

There's patience, and there's "That's a bit too close to the truth, let's take her out to the Space Camp where we can re-educate her into being a space cadet. And everyone else in her class will be jealous of her rather than thinking it's a bad thing!"

Actually, see her parents separated and posted on (separate)= installations in the butt of the world (and remarried, forcedly) with the kid being given to a good corp family for re-neducation is a good bet. It's what they did with mouthy children in the East back in the day.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

You very obviously have zero experience with how totalitarian systems work.

Have you even read the shadowtalk in question?

Ummm, You would be wrong...

And Yes, I have...

The fact remains, /dev/grrl is a Shadow talker, therefore she is not a "Normal Person" in the typical sense. She has access to information that the normal person does not. Normal people look at those kinds of people like they are a bit touched, and move along. She is in the Shadows, which sets her apart, regardless of whether you like that or not. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[hermit]

Ummm, You would be wrong...

The Obama administration does not count. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

The Obama administration does not count. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I agree...

[hermit]

Seriously, you cannot just blather about state secrets in such societies, that WILL come back and bite you. Look at what happens to critical bloggers in China, Iran, Arabia, or what happened to people who merely read a western news magazine (once) in the Eastern Block. Corps are not militant free speech american organisations (Save maybe for Horizon, bzut THAT thing never made sense anyway).

Her teacher would lose his job. Her parents would be either downsized or lose any chance at promotion. She might be given over to 'better parents' the second someone finds her snooping in Shadowland.

Either Deus and the entire Renraku Arcology Shutdown are open info, or /dev/grrl should have been punished (probably indirectly, but so what). She wasn't so it can't be classified in any way.

[CanRay]

Agree on all you wrote. I had the same feeling, regarding Clockwork, reading Emergence.

I was feeling his way to thinking as well... Right up to the point where he sold out one of his own contacts for money. Then I agreed with everyone else on the JackPoint.

"I have to go punch a Clock."

The fact remains, /dev/grrl is a Shadow talker, therefore she is not a "Normal Person" in the typical sense. She has access to information that the normal person does not. Normal people look at those kinds of people like they are a bit touched, and move along. She is in the Shadows, which sets her apart, regardless of whether you like that or not. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

I have no issues with a Corp Kid being in the Shadows, nor even her being a Hacker (Makes better sense than some kind of Combat Monster! A Rigger might also be possible. Some people just have a natural knack for things, but some things require training and body size/weight/magic.).

The issues I have with her are that she's pretty much the poster child for "DERP!" of the Shadows. Which usually are people that do not live long. Like that guy that bragged that he got one over on S-K and was found dead, like, two days later. Her character is heavily 2D, and not very well thought out in a lot of ways. Is this an issue of how she was created, how she was described, or the authors, I'm not sure, but the rest of the characters seem to be more "Real" than she does.

Of course, I'm pretty heavy into character backstory, even if it's not talked about. The amount of information I use to tease people I know about Jon "Money" Johnson's background is staggering, like exactly which building was dropped on him, to where he grew up, to even who his Father is and why they hate each other so much. Even the fact that his sister is a Nun doing Missionary Work in Africa, which is outright stated in one story, often surprises people.

And then there's the whole chapter on Nas' history. And that doesn't even touch on his family or upbringing.

Maybe I'm just elitist about character development being something that you don't do from the start, but have from before the character hits text.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Seriously, you cannot just blather about state secrets in such societies, that WILL come back and bite you. Look at what happens to critical bloggers in China, Iran, Arabia, or what happened to people who merely read a western news magazine (once) in the Eastern Block. Corps are not militant free speech american organisations (Save maybe for Horizon, bzut THAT thing never made sense anyway).

Her teacher would lose his job. Her parents would be either downsized or lose any chance at promotion. She might be given over to 'better parents' the second someone finds her snooping in Shadowland.

Either Deus and the entire Renraku Arcology Shutdown are open info, or /dev/grrl should have been punished (probably indirectly, but so what). She wasn't so it can't be classified in any way.

But it is not a STATE secret. It is knowledge that permeates the Shadows. /dev/grrl is not the only one who knows such things, so it is not a big problem that she talks about it. Those in the know won't take action because to do so would lend legitimacy to her claims. They just undermine her by ridiculing her. Happens all the time. Just because the information/knowledge is out there does not mean that the average Joe buys into the hype. The are conspiracy theorist everywhere, and look how they are treated. They are seen as a Joke. Same thing here.

[hermit]

But it is not a STATE secret. It is knowledge that permeates the Shadows.

That's not mutually exclusive. Try writing about the Jasmin revolution, or the fact that stuxnet virus and an assassination campaign appear to have killed the national totally non military nuclear weapons energy program in an Iranian blog. That's information that permeates the western media and yet it is heavily repressed in Iran. Or try to cover street protests in China. Try to cover the war in Libya in Gaddafi areas! Just because *someone* knows something does not mean nobody wants to reptress that information. You see, secrets come in layers. Nothing ever is an absolute secret.

Those in the know won't take action because to do so would lend legitimacy to her claims.

You really have no idea how such a system works for those on the inside. Google Doublethink. It's essential to live in a repressive society (or hell, in being a catholic; everybody knew about child abuse in ireland and elsewhere, but nobody talked because of social pressure on those who do). And because of that they would come down on her hard so everybody knows there are questions not meant to be asked.

They just undermine her by ridiculing her. Happens all the time. Just because the information/knowledge is out there does not mean that the average Joe buys into the hype.

That's pretty much limited to countries withessentially censorship-free media, where anything CAN be reported, and where the state is in no position to intimidate the population into doublethink. In a repressive society, Joe would know to not talk, ask about or even think about this, because /dev/grrrl did and look what happened to her.

[CanRay]

Well, with the application of Social Networking and such that the Wireless Matrix has, you have a lack of censorship (It's hard to put a genie back in a bottle), but heavy monitoring. So, yeah, the info will get out, then lots of evidence (Real, faked, or otherwise) will be provided to prove just how wrong or "Fictional" the event is.

Also, it makes "Disappearing" people harder and easier at the same time. In one way, more people are going to notice if "John-117" disappears. In another, who the hell was "John-117"?

Edit: The scariest thing I showed my group was from my News Reports that I wrote between games. One of them had a communications satellite disappear. And any news reports on it were squashed. And I'm talking official ones from NASA (A wholly owned Subsidiary of Ares Macrotechnology!) and major media outlets, and Shadow BBSes themselves! They kind of freaked a little bit, especially when they found it.