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post Mar 22 2011, 04:12 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 22 2011, 04:50 PM) *
Ah, but Puck has been nabbed and is there. So they already have someone they know and...

"So, we have to kill a bunch of these people and... Drek, it'd be a mercy! Look at them! I haven't seen anything like this since Chicago!" "Yeah, but, this would be out-and-out cold blood killing. We should have brought Kane. And... OH GHOST! PUCK! THEY GOT PUCK! THOSE BASTARDS!" "He's been here... All the time? Puck man, say something!" *Puck barely whispers* "Come on man, tell us, what's going on?" "K... K-k-k-k... Kill me."

...

"A mercy."


...

"Put your guncam on him."
"WHAT?!"
"Do it, I'm going to set your 'link to record and we're going to blow this open once we get outside."
"Fine, just hur-wait what are you-"
"Son of-Intrusion attempt it's through my firewalls-"
"It's not ME, it-PUCK's ID?!"
"It's hacking the smartlink node! DISENG-"
*gunshot*
"SHITSHITSHIT WE NEED TO GO NOW!"
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post Mar 22 2011, 04:18 PM
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Ok, I feel like I'm out of the loop (which happens a lot with the fiction since I only started playing in 4th and I haven't found all the novels yet)

Who is Puck and what is the Rose Garden?
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post Mar 22 2011, 04:22 PM
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What's the Rose Garden? And what happened to Puck? Feel free to spoil it for me, I'm guessing this is some book that I don't have.
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post Mar 22 2011, 04:34 PM
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I'll probably get pre-empted by this by someone else, but...

The Rose Garden is a MCT project only vaguely alluded to in recent books. It's a live study of Technomancers that MCT has managed to nab and vivisect while keeping alive in an effort to understand what makes TM's tick.

The infamous Puck was an Otaku, IIRC, that Faded prior to Crash 2.0, then manifested as a Technomancer. Not incredibly popular on Jackpoint, but heard rumors of the Rose Garden and said he was going to check it out. Afterwards, vanished.

Corp Guide has a MCT Technomancer manager escape the company after seeing Puck, vivisected but still alive, within the Rose Garden project. Well, I suppose he sort of escaped. Parts of him got away.
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post Mar 22 2011, 09:52 PM
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I thought he was investigating dissonant technomancers in Unwired? Ex Pacis or something?
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post Mar 22 2011, 09:58 PM
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What he was investigating, and what he got may have been two different things...

And, quite possibly, Ex Pacis might be in charge of the Rose Garden. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/devil.gif)

Can we get back to poor, kidnapped Hackbaby now?
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post Mar 22 2011, 11:44 PM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Mar 22 2011, 09:34 AM) *
I'll probably get pre-empted by this by someone else, but...

The Rose Garden is a MCT project only vaguely alluded to in recent books. It's a live study of Technomancers that MCT has managed to nab and vivisect while keeping alive in an effort to understand what makes TM's tick.

The infamous Puck was an Otaku, IIRC, that Faded prior to Crash 2.0, then manifested as a Technomancer. Not incredibly popular on Jackpoint, but heard rumors of the Rose Garden and said he was going to check it out. Afterwards, vanished.

Corp Guide has a MCT Technomancer manager escape the company after seeing Puck, vivisected but still alive, within the Rose Garden project. Well, I suppose he sort of escaped. Parts of him got away.



Did we have anything confirming him as a Techno? I recall lots of harsh words and accusations and death threats, but I don't think Puck ever said anything about being one. I wonder if FastJack has actually dug anything up on the Rose Garden. He did say he'd check it out.
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post Mar 23 2011, 12:11 AM
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If he's one of the roses in the garden, I think we can call that one confirmed.
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post Mar 23 2011, 12:23 AM
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Puck was an otaku working for Deus. He used his connection to Deus to load Pax's Jorgamund virus during the Novatech IPO. There is rumor that he is a technomancer and not just a faded otaku, but Puck himself refuses to comment on this.

The last time we hear from Puck* was during Unwired. There he says he was tracking a group of AIs called Code Clan. Code Clan was connected with a technomancer cult called the Discordians, some of whom are former members of Ex Pacis. After that, Netcat says that Puck was offline for 5 days.

Next, we see the scene in Corporate Guide where he's being tortured and experimented on by Dr. Catherine Sharon, a computer science genius on MCT's payroll(more on her in Emergence p11.) This is relevant because the first time we saw Puck in Shutdown, this is what he was doing to others. Puck being inside a faraday cage lends credence to the idea that he is a technomancer.
Someone going by the name NamelessYakGuy also gives some cryptic info on the Rose Garden and the "silver thorn", which is probably silver haired Puck.

Then, in Feral Cities, Netcat drags Pistons to GeMiTo to meet with a gang called the Capotreni, who were the last people Puck went to see before he disappeared. The Capotreni seem somehow connected to technomancers. The German wiki claims they are a technomancer gang, but I can not confirm this.

Lastly, in Vice, Netcat and Pistons are in Afghanistan trying to barter passage to Kolkata in Bengal, India. This is of note because Kolkata(or Kolkota) Integrated Talent & Technologies was one of the hubs Winternight and Ex Pacis used to launch the Jormungand virus.
Earlier in Vice, it also notes that Friday, the only surviving Norn of Winternight, has recently escaped. Clockwork then spells it out that a psychopathic killer who used to run with Pax is on the loose and that Puck has gone missing while investigating Ex Pacis.

*Puck also has a comment at the beginning of Vice about high-tech arson. Considering there are not one, but two references to his disappearance later in the book, this would imply that all the info in Vice was compiled at different times.
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post Mar 23 2011, 12:54 AM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Mar 22 2011, 05:34 PM) *
The Rose Garden is a MCT project only vaguely alluded to in recent books. It's a live study of Technomancers that MCT has managed to nab and vivisect while keeping alive in an effort to understand what makes TM's tick.

Well, maybe...or did one of the newer books actually confirm that?
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post Mar 23 2011, 04:15 AM
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Dear Lord, you all are creative geniuses.

I feel like a monkey trying to do a math problem when I try to create a simple run in Seattle for my group and here you all are taking Shadowrun creativity to the next level.

I bow to your creativeness <bows>

Keep it up!!
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post Mar 23 2011, 02:36 PM
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TM, it's worse than you think. We're still at the "Monkeys with Typewriters" stage.

Wait until we really hit our groove!
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post Mar 23 2011, 08:12 PM
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If I had a real datajack, you'd be getting the real good stuff. I think best when I'm on my feet, but it's not very convenient to lug my laptop around while strolling around the beach.
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post Mar 23 2011, 08:21 PM
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QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Mar 23 2011, 08:12 PM) *
If I had a real datajack, you'd be getting the real good stuff. I think best when I'm on my feet, but it's not very convenient to lug my laptop around while strolling around the beach.


If I had a real datajack, I'd be taking one hell of a wonderful nap right now while I looked busy.
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post Mar 23 2011, 11:26 PM
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QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Mar 23 2011, 03:12 PM) *
If I had a real datajack, you'd be getting the real good stuff. I think best when I'm on my feet, but it's not very convenient to lug my laptop around while strolling around the beach.

One of these days, I'll get a digital recorder and not look like a total nutjob walking down the street vocalizing ideas every now and then.

It doesn't help wearing an army surplus greatcoat and having a massive beard. I look like I just came out of the Mountains of Northern Ontario.

...

Which I did, but it was six years ago! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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You can take the can out of the mountains of northern ontario, but you can not take the mountains of northern ontario out of the can.
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post Mar 23 2011, 11:47 PM
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Even talking about hunting rifles scare these City-Folk Flatlanders. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Mar 24 2011, 02:45 AM
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I'm in the Army and when I told my family I have fun at the range they look like I sprouted an extra head.
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post Mar 24 2011, 05:13 AM
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QUOTE (Angelone @ Mar 23 2011, 09:45 PM) *
I'm in the Army and when I told my family I have fun at the range they look like I sprouted an extra head.

To her credit, my wife loves it when I spend an afternoon at the range burning through a couple boxes of ammo. I've started hitting a local range with her brother-in-law and nephew, and she likes it when all the men-folk in her life spend time together, blowing off steam and giving the gals time to hang out and talk about us.

When I commandeer the kitchen table to clean my guns afterwards? That, she loves a little less. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Mar 24 2011, 05:20 AM
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Dad commandeered the kitchen table one winter to build the engine block for his Harley-Davidson.

That was... An interesting Winter.
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post Mar 24 2011, 04:54 PM
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/me feels out of place with all these gun nuts.

Erm.... I have a Nerf gun?
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post Mar 24 2011, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (Critias @ Mar 23 2011, 10:13 PM) *
To her credit, my wife loves it when I spend an afternoon at the range burning through a couple boxes of ammo. I've started hitting a local range with her brother-in-law and nephew, and she likes it when all the men-folk in her life spend time together, blowing off steam and giving the gals time to hang out and talk about us.

When I commandeer the kitchen table to clean my guns afterwards? That, she loves a little less. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)


Which reminds me, I need to set aside some time to go put some rounds through my 1911 and my 12g.
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post Mar 24 2011, 06:32 PM
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The range near here is too expensive, me and my friends have some stuff set up out waaay out in the woods....
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post Mar 24 2011, 06:49 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 22 2011, 09:58 PM) *
Can we get back to poor, kidnapped Hackbaby now?

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post Mar 24 2011, 08:32 PM
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QUOTE (Xahn Borealis @ Mar 24 2011, 11:54 AM) *
/me feels out of place with all these gun nuts.

Erm.... I have a Nerf gun?

More than I have, man. Stupid Canadian Laws... I gotta hit the US some day and get some shooting done.
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