 Edge + Rush job + Nexus, You make the call... |
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 Mar 23 2011, 08:34 PM
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Target  Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 8-October 10 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 19,103  |
For context: I am programing a die roller which is part of a much larger project.
Thread for the roller And the question came up: Can you stack Edge to reduce interval in half, rush the job to cut the interval in half AND program in a nexus programming environment to half the interval effectively making your interval / 8 on a programming extended test? I would really like to know what everyone thinks as I want the die roller to be as accurate to the rules as I can get it. Thanks! |
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Mar 23 2011, 08:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,284 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
yes you can, while remembering that using edge to half your interval is a houserule and not in the list "spending edge" in the core book.
-------------------- Compilation of self-brewed traditions found in this forum: klick -------------------- QUOTE (Robert Heinlein @ Time Enough for Love) Specialization is for insects QUOTE (Dragnar @ May 27 2009, 01:37 AM)  I think that's the first time I've heard a dicepool of 29 being described as "rather disappointing". I love dumpshock. :D |
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Mar 23 2011, 08:37 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,989 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Some people think so. *Shrug*. I don't think you'll get a better argument. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 23 2011, 08:44 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 8-October 10 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 19,103 |
Wow, thats surprising as you take say the 3 month interval (assume 30*3 days / 8 ) 11 days 6 hours per roll (if my mathing is correct).
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Mar 23 2011, 08:47 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,989 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It is indeed. I'd never allow it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 23 2011, 08:50 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,284 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
if you have a sleep regulator you should be able to reduce the effective time even more. although that's not in the rules some will agree with me.
an interval of 3 months is probably intended to equal 3 x 4 x (5 or 6 ) workdays. with one workday being like 10 hours or something. But that's when the developer fell asleep and forgot to mention it. -------------------- Compilation of self-brewed traditions found in this forum: klick -------------------- QUOTE (Robert Heinlein @ Time Enough for Love) Specialization is for insects QUOTE (Dragnar @ May 27 2009, 01:37 AM) I think that's the first time I've heard a dicepool of 29 being described as "rather disappointing". I love dumpshock. :D |
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Mar 23 2011, 09:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: 11-June 10 From: Thunder Bay, ON, Canada Member No.: 18,696 |
It would have been nice if they had listed them as man hours or man minutes, or something like that. (or women hours, or person hours if you prefer) Just saying it takes a month or a week doesn't work well.
Unless you take it to mean 7 days of constant none stop work, ie 7 days x 24 hours of total work to be done. After all that's what an extended test that's got an interval of 1 complex turn, or 1 minute would be. There would be no breaks, it's constant work. Using a month as a measure of time is a bad thing to do in any case. Since not all months are equal. Best I think to use 4 weeks. I think that works better. The Edge being spent that way is under optional rules, The Rush the Job and Nexus Programming environments are not. Although in all honesty, all rules are optional, and each group has to individually decide what rules to use and what rules not to use. |
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Mar 23 2011, 10:36 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,328 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Makki @ Mar 23 2011, 09:37 PM) yes you can, while remembering that using edge to half your interval is a houserule and not in the list "spending edge" in the core book. Not house rule directly, as that would not be in the book at all. It is listed as a optional rule for edge use. As such it sits on the middle ground between a house rule and a official rule. -------------------- warning: posts written by "stream of thought", and may digress the thread at any moment.
how RAW do you want your rules? |
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Mar 23 2011, 10:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,284 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Mar 23 2011, 05:36 PM) Not house rule directly, as that would not be in the book at all. It is listed as a optional rule for edge use. As such it sits on the middle ground between a house rule and a official rule. yes. my bad. false assumption an posting to fast (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sleepy.gif) -------------------- Compilation of self-brewed traditions found in this forum: klick -------------------- QUOTE (Robert Heinlein @ Time Enough for Love) Specialization is for insects QUOTE (Dragnar @ May 27 2009, 01:37 AM) I think that's the first time I've heard a dicepool of 29 being described as "rather disappointing". I love dumpshock. :D |
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Mar 23 2011, 10:42 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 8-October 10 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 19,103 |
Ok I need clarification since I have now confused myself wile programing this in...
If one were to use edge to 1/2 the interval (Glitches on 1s only) If one were to rush the job to 1/2 the interval (Glitches on 1s And 2s) if one were to program in nexus env. to 1/2 the interval (Glitches on 1s only) So if all were combined it would be interval / 8 but 1s AND 2s would be applied toward glitches correct? |
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Mar 23 2011, 10:53 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 12,657 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
yes, correct.
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Mar 23 2011, 10:56 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,284 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
can you still use Edge on glitches (which have a good chance to occur now)? afaik you may use edge only once at any given test.
-------------------- Compilation of self-brewed traditions found in this forum: klick -------------------- QUOTE (Robert Heinlein @ Time Enough for Love) Specialization is for insects QUOTE (Dragnar @ May 27 2009, 01:37 AM) I think that's the first time I've heard a dicepool of 29 being described as "rather disappointing". I love dumpshock. :D |
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Mar 23 2011, 11:05 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 8-October 10 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 19,103 |
Ok the "I want a Rating 12 Program in 3 days stacking rule set" is in there.
Will someone please check the accuracy of it? --> The Roller I'm fairly sure its working correctly but its always better to get fresh eyes on it. |
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Mar 23 2011, 11:09 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
When you use SR rules to optimize the Five Year Plan it does start to creak a little bit.
-------------------- QUOTE (capt.pantsless @ Oct 14 2010, 04:37 PM) This isn't real-life, it's Shadowrun, it's supposed to be BTL. QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 14 2010, 03:42 AM) *shrug* I think it's exactly the same as using Firearms. You can't just skip the use of ambushing, cover, ammo selection, or targeting and just 'roll Firearms'. For social skills, you also have to ambush, cover, select ammo, and target, THEN roll the dice. |
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Mar 24 2011, 02:00 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: 11-June 10 From: Thunder Bay, ON, Canada Member No.: 18,696 |
Common Use software has a threshold of Rating, and Hacking software has Ratingx2 so, 12 would not take all that long to create at a base of 1 month for the interval. Even without doing anything special.
Hacking would be not really be all that different. A threshold of 24 with a 1 month interval is not all that bad. Now having that 1 month dropped down to 3 and 3 quarters days makes you write it in a couple of weeks... |
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Mar 24 2011, 02:19 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 8-October 10 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 19,103 |
After getting all the rules in its not that bad a thing to allow stacking... If you rush a job your chances to glitch out are pretty high. So players would end up wasting more time than they saved by going for it.
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Mar 24 2011, 02:21 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 667 Joined: 11-June 10 From: Thunder Bay, ON, Canada Member No.: 18,696 |
Yes, lots more bugs in the software becomes likely with doing a rush job on programming.
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Mar 24 2011, 02:22 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 13,165 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
But you can still reduce time by factor of 4, not rush the job, and get your 12 Week interval down to 3 weeks... Not bad at all... And, as some have indicated, with a Sleep Regulator, you may even benefit with a time reduction of 8, without rushing, so that 12 week interval is now 1.5 Weeks/Roll...
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Mar 24 2011, 02:49 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,284 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
I imagine a programmer would use the time gained from a nexus programming environment and a sleep regulator for watching porn and playing games. Then 1 month before the deadline he recognizes he's behind schedule and rushes the job and invests all his mental resources.
all in all he finishes in the originally estimated time. -------------------- Compilation of self-brewed traditions found in this forum: klick -------------------- QUOTE (Robert Heinlein @ Time Enough for Love) Specialization is for insects QUOTE (Dragnar @ May 27 2009, 01:37 AM) I think that's the first time I've heard a dicepool of 29 being described as "rather disappointing". I love dumpshock. :D |
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Mar 24 2011, 02:59 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 43 Joined: 8-October 10 From: San Diego, CA Member No.: 19,103 |
QUOTE (Makki @ Mar 23 2011, 07:49 PM) I imagine a programmer would use the time gained from a nexus programming environment and a sleep regulator for watching porn and playing games. Then 1 month before the deadline he recognizes he's behind schedule and rushes the job and invests all his mental resources. all in all he finishes in the originally estimated time. I definitely would. |
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Mar 24 2011, 03:05 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,989 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I agree that it's a pretty big stretch to assume that your programmer spends his every implant-augmented waking hour doing nothing but making programming progress. The simplest answer is 'the RAW doesn't say anything about more waking hours speeding up Extended tests'; I think that's pretty unsatisfying, but better than your players walking on you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Mar 24 2011, 09:43 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,612 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 |
SR3 had a rule for working/training that said that any character could work for 8+Willpower/2 hours a day and could roll a Willpower test to squeeze some more hours. I liked it. I guess you could use it for SR4.
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Mar 24 2011, 05:39 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,328 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 24 2011, 03:22 AM) But you can still reduce time by factor of 4, not rush the job, and get your 12 Week interval down to 3 weeks... Not bad at all... And, as some have indicated, with a Sleep Regulator, you may even benefit with a time reduction of 8, without rushing, so that 12 week interval is now 1.5 Weeks/Roll... So that is how the Corps do it... -------------------- warning: posts written by "stream of thought", and may digress the thread at any moment.
how RAW do you want your rules? |
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