 Any word on the big three?, GM, Ford and Chrysler |
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 Mar 28 2011, 08:29 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413  |
As a life long citizen of the Detroit area, it just piqued my duriousity as to what has happened to the Big Three American Auto companies. There are vehicles listed under the tag GMC and Chrystler (Though I don't think I've seen a Ford.) Are they still individual companies, or is there any source material from older ediations giving some insight into this?
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Mar 28 2011, 08:33 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
GMC was bought out by Ares. I can't remember where I read this, but they bought GMC for it's military contracts, IIRC.
Ford may still independent, but might just be held by a holding company in the Caribbean League. Shadowtalk is mixed on that. (One of the Rigger's Black Books.). Chrysler appears to have joined Nissan, the infamous Chrysler-Nissan Jackrabbit sporty subcompact was a staple of Shadowrun. (1st Edition BBB.). |
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Mar 28 2011, 08:34 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
The Ford Americar has been the standard four-door american sedan for most editions. Probably equivalent to a Taurus or a Crown Vic. I believe they are owned by Ares. Chrysler is a subsidiary of Nissan, which is in turn a subsidiary of Mitsuhama, I believe.
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Mar 28 2011, 08:35 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
Very nice to hear they still exist at least. Do any of the older sourcebooks cover Detroit? I'm doing a wite-up for it, and I want to make sure I'm not stepping on any canon toes. ... as opposed to cannon toes.
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Mar 28 2011, 08:37 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Corporate Guide, Page 49, Sidebar under Ares Heavy Industry. Ares owns GMC. And Honda. And Honda-GM.
I don't remember anything about Detroit in any of the sourcebooks, but my collection is far, far, far from complete. Edit: You know, with Ares HQ being in Detroit (According to Corp Guide), I'm surprised we haven't heard about it yet... |
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Mar 28 2011, 09:19 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (Belvidere @ Mar 28 2011, 10:35 PM)  Do any of the older sourcebooks cover Detroit? I'm doing a wite-up for it, and I want to make sure I'm not stepping on any canon toes. ... as opposed to cannon toes. 2nd edition sourcebook Target: UCAS does. Year is 2058. |
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Mar 28 2011, 09:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,139 Joined: 31-March 10 From: UCAS Member No.: 18,391 |
Target UCAS has Detroit but it's back a ways. 2050s I think. so....
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Mar 28 2011, 10:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
Cool, sounds like we're about ready for a more modern take on Motown then. Sounds like I've got my work cut out for me. I'll check my local game store for Target:UCAS. Thank ya folks!
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Mar 28 2011, 10:07 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,139 Joined: 31-March 10 From: UCAS Member No.: 18,391 |
Mine (Target UCAS) Came in today. Got it for about $3.50 off ebay. (( that's with shipping))
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Mar 28 2011, 10:07 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
It's why we're here.
Well, this, and to complain bitterly. And abuse each other. And... Why do I keep coming here again? |
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Mar 28 2011, 11:12 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 28 2011, 07:07 PM) It's why we're here. Well, this, and to complain bitterly. And abuse each other. And... Why do I keep coming here again? Because you love us!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif) |
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Mar 28 2011, 11:19 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,373 Joined: 14-January 10 From: Stuttgart, Germany Member No.: 18,036 |
From what I know, Ford is still independent from any Megacorps, but there are some unknown shadows behind it.
They also have a new Special Editions Department to revive the old classic Ford Focus anyways, I just image a whole campaign around cars. |
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Mar 28 2011, 11:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,139 Joined: 31-March 10 From: UCAS Member No.: 18,391 |
If memory serves... Ford was bought by Nissan. I seem to remember at some point one of the guys mentioning he was Driving a Mustang, and it was still as good a car now that Nissan had bought ford as before.....
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Mar 28 2011, 11:50 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 55 Joined: 25-April 10 From: Toronto ON Member No.: 18,500 |
As for third edition books Shadows of north-america has an entry (it's not all that big), The Targe:UCAS book says Ford and GM (The big two) are in constant competition for Ares Contracts.
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Mar 29 2011, 12:11 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 28 2011, 05:07 PM) It's why we're here. Well, this, and to complain bitterly. And abuse each other. And... Why do I keep coming here again? Schadenfreude. |
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Mar 29 2011, 12:20 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 10-June 09 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 17,268 |
Rigger 3 (3rd ed) page 19:
"As the only member of the Big Three American automakers to remain independent, Ford finds itself caught between a rock and a hard place. Ford has managed to survive by playing Ares and Chrysler-Nissan against each other. Additionally, Ford has diversified by making inroads in the vehicle components industry, as well as expanding outside the North American market through its ownership of the European Motor Company, maker of low-price European vehicles such as Opel, Peugeot, Skoda, Jaguar, Range Rover and Citroen. It also gained a presence in the Far East by buying out Mazda and Kia. Ford also retains the exclusive and lucrative contracts for manufacturing certain Docwagon and Lone Star vehicles, despite the best attempts from other corps to steal them away." Also, worth noting they have a separate section for Mitsuhama and Chrysler-Nissan on the same page, suggesting that the former does not in fact own the latter. Belvidere, please post when you've finished your writeup. I've been contemplating running a game in Detroit as well and I'd like to see what you come up with. |
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Mar 29 2011, 12:49 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Mar 28 2011, 06:34 PM) If memory serves... Ford was bought by Nissan. I seem to remember at some point one of the guys mentioning he was Driving a Mustang, and it was still as good a car now that Nissan had bought ford as before..... Nissan only bought the Mustang line, not Ford itself. And, man, could you hear the swearing of car nuts North America over! Carroll Shelby generated high torque using nothing but his own body and his coffin. |
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Mar 29 2011, 02:31 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
QUOTE (Megu @ Mar 28 2011, 09:20 PM) Rigger 3 (3rd ed) page 19: Belvidere, please post when you've finished your writeup. I've been contemplating running a game in Detroit as well and I'd like to see what you come up with. With any luck on my end, and maybe a bit of ass kissing, it may be in the next issue of Dumpshock Data Haven. (I'm unaware of an ETA on that. But my hopes are high, and worst case I'll have a few friends do some digital art and use my limits photoshop skills to do a layout.) Actually, would I be stepping on legal toes if I released it as a free PDF? (Should the DS: Data Haven not work out.) |
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Mar 29 2011, 03:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 519 Joined: 27-August 02 From: Queensland Member No.: 3,180 |
This is the second reference (as Canray noted) to Ford in SR after the gear section from the SR1 book.
QUOTE ("RBB p11") >>>>>[Y' all know that the Ford name's just a moniker these days, right? They're actually owned by some offshore Carib League holding company. Cryin' shame.]<<<<< -Quil (21 : 13:41 /08-14-52) I'm unfamiliar with SR Detroit but there was this interesting documentary about the decline of Detroit with the car industry which showed massive empty factories and abandoned houses as the population shrunk by about a quarter. Seemed good SR material on a few levels. |
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Mar 29 2011, 03:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 411 Joined: 10-June 09 From: Minneapolis, MN Member No.: 17,268 |
QUOTE (Belvidere @ Mar 28 2011, 08:31 PM) With any luck on my end, and maybe a bit of ass kissing, it may be in the next issue of Dumpshock Data Haven. (I'm unaware of an ETA on that. But my hopes are high, and worst case I'll have a few friends do some digital art and use my limits photoshop skills to do a layout.) Actually, would I be stepping on legal toes if I released it as a free PDF? (Should the DS: Data Haven not work out.) I hate to be a noob but where can I find these DDH issues? What is DDH? |
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Mar 29 2011, 03:15 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Link @ Mar 28 2011, 10:08 PM) I'm unfamiliar with SR Detroit but there was this interesting documentary about the decline of Detroit with the car industry which showed massive empty factories and abandoned houses as the population shrunk by about a quarter. Seemed good SR material on a few levels. Ares Macrotechnology and refugees from now NAN-Land would reverse that nicely. Detroit is probably pumping out cars once again as the UCAS employees aren't exactly demanding as high a price for labor as before. QUOTE (Megu @ Mar 28 2011, 10:09 PM) I hate to be a noob but where can I find these DDH issues? What is DDH? DumpShock Data Haven, a "Quarterly" Fan-Made production written from the point of view of a Black BBS set up by Bull "The Best Ork Hacker You Never Met". It's in the "Important Links" sticky at the top. The second issue is being worked on right now. |
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Mar 29 2011, 03:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 29 2011, 12:15 AM) Ares Macrotechnology and refugees from now NAN-Land would reverse that nicely. Detroit is probably pumping out cars once again as the UCAS employees aren't exactly demanding as high a price for labor as before. That's what I was thinking, something akin to the days of WW2 when Motown boomed because people had no choice but to work cheap and make reliable products. |
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Mar 29 2011, 04:07 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Add in the death of Unions due to Extraterritorial Corporations and you got the revival of cheap, hard-worked labor in the area. And that's at the Ford plant. At Ares, where they can set the minimum wage to whatever they like...
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Mar 29 2011, 04:12 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 20-July 09 From: Detroit Member No.: 17,413 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 29 2011, 01:07 AM) Add in the death of Unions due to Extraterritorial Corporations and you got the revival of cheap, hard-worked labor in the area. And that's at the Ford plant. At Ares, where they can set the minimum wage to whatever they like... Hell with the death of the unions, SINless factory workers might become a rather common occurrence. And say goodbye to work place regulations as well, no point if they're SINless. |
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Mar 29 2011, 04:15 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Can't hire SINless. No SIN, no taxes. No taxes, no government or Corporate Court contracts. That's big money.
Of course, there are ways around that, but John Q. Wageslave will almost always be a SINner. |
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