Uber Bow Troll?, SURGE may be worth more than I thought |
Uber Bow Troll?, SURGE may be worth more than I thought |
Mar 31 2011, 01:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
I just noticed you could customize SURGE with changeling SURGE level I,II, or III. So how does this sound?
Cyclops with level II changeling for shiva arms. I'll just detail the important parts and leave out anything unrelated to bow DPS. before mods: 10 STR 7 AGI (maxed with Exceptional Attribute and Genetic Optimization) 6 EDGE (for when you're feeling lucky and your target absolutely positively must die in the next 3 seconds) spend the rest somewhere else. max archery at 6 and specialize in bows for +2 Bioware to get: +1 STR => muscle augmentation +2 AGI => muscle toner +1 AGI, STR => suprathyroid gland +1 physical tests => enhanced articulation +1 archery => reflex recorder +2 initiative passes => synaptic booster Final stats: 12 STR 10 AGI 7 archery other equipment: 2 Rating 12 bows ambidextrous to negate penalties for dual wielding bows piles of explosive arrows MRSI software An attack with a bow will have DV 14+1=15 from the explosive arrows. Two attacks per initiative pass allows you to use MRSI once per pass for a 30 DV attack. Attack rolls for MRSI will be 9 (split pool and round up) + 2 (bow specialization) + 1 (enhanced articulation). All in all, an MRSI attack is 30 DV + 12 dice pool (18 if edge used). Maybe I could add infected or Adept on top of that with a few tweaks, but for now I'll do homework while I keep an eye on this Topic. |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:19 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 |
This is why I said no SURGE. Also, no leg eating.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:22 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:22 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
If the best character to pop into your head for a Shadowrun game is a four-armed SURGEling of a Cyclops...well...you're playing a different style of game than I am, at any rate. I hope the rest of your crew is as outlandish and over-the-top, or the odds are good you'll be the only one having fun.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:27 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
If the best character to pop into your head for a Shadowrun game is a four-armed SURGEling of a Cyclops...well...you're playing a different style of game than I am, at any rate. I hope the rest of your crew is as outlandish and over-the-top, or the odds are good you'll be the only one having fun. I can't decide if this is a stab at power gaming in general, or if my power gaming was just subpar. Rest assured, I don't intend to play this guy, but rather wanted everyone's opinions on how overpowered this character is. Jut let me know who/what you're comparing to please. |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:27 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yeah, I'll stick with a normal person with a burst Barrett or something. But this is still amusing to see worked out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 31 2011, 01:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 |
Speaking as his GM this thread is pure speculative optimization, right?
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Mar 31 2011, 01:29 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
Yep.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:30 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 |
Good, Proceed. I'm intrigued as to how much damage you can do to balance in this game.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:30 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
Yeah, I'll stick with a normal person with a burst Barrett or something. But this is still amusing to see worked out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Lol, I liked that idea too. No need to meddle with multiple arms or split my pool. Burst Barrett though? I was thinking of the Barrett SA sniper rifle. |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:34 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
Good, Proceed. I'm intrigued as to how much damage you can do to balance in this game. In that case, this is good for taking down tanks and the like... with a bow (IMG:style_emoticons/default/indifferent.gif) . A more appropriate character for normal campaigns would probably be an elven sniper with a Barrett though. 2 attacks per initiative pass and a good chance of killing someone with each is better for spreading the (tough) love. |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:34 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Not that you need the burst bonus. The Barrett is already silly, plus silly ammo. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 31 2011, 01:35 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:39 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I assume he means the burst-iness. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Even FA, but it's tough to get that much RC on a Longarm.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:39 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:42 AM
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I don't know about SR4 but in SR3 cyclopes got a penalty to non-melee attacks from no depth perception.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:43 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 |
Suppressing fire with a Barret.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:45 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
I don't know about SR4 but in SR3 cyclopes got a penalty to non-melee attacks from no depth perception. I didn't see that in the book, but I thought about it. I also considered a bonus since you sight down a bow with one eye, and the cyclops would be rather used to that. |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:47 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:47 AM
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I didn't see that in the book, but I thought about it. I also considered a bonus since you sight down a bow with one eye, and the cyclops would be rather used to that. I know common sense has no place in Shadow Run, but how the hell do you sight down two bows at once? |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:53 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
I know common sense has no place in Shadow Run, but how the hell do you sight down two bows at once? A good question. My first answer would be TWO cyclops eyes. Metavariant cost for Diclops = Cyclops + 5? But seriously, it's kind of a gray area. You can't use laser sights or smartlink enhancements to accuracy when dual wielding weapons. In light of that, I was thinking it would be more like sighting down the line between them. OR, this was my thought the first time I heard about shiva arms: draw both bows down the same side of your body, and organize your hands accordingly (since you can't really draw a bow while facing your chest toward your target anyway). |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:56 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Um, long burst *headshots*. Duh.
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Mar 31 2011, 01:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
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