 Ares Thunderstruck Gauss Rifle vs. Barret Model 121, is there a difference between assault cannons and snipers? |
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 Mar 31 2011, 02:11 AM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230  |
The topic may have given away my questions, but here I go:
1. The two weapons in the title of this topic have the same DV and AP, but the Gauss has less recoil. I could effectively use that as a sniper rifle. Does the Barret have anything on the Gauss? 2. Pertaining to the above: I would have classified the Gauss as a sniper rifle, perhaps because I played Crysis. What determines a weapon's class? |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:14 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,473 Joined: 24-May 10 From: Beijing Member No.: 18,611 |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:15 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Actually, we just had this thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Hold on, I'll find you the link. Ha, ninja'd!
The short answer is that a sniper rifle fires a high-powered rifle cartridge, while an assault cannon fires a small *cannon* round, like a very light tank or autocannon. |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:19 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:15 PM)  Actually, we just had this thread. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Hold on, I'll find you the link. Ha, ninja'd! The short answer is that a sniper rifle fires a high-powered rifle cartridge, while an assault cannon fires a small *cannon* round, like a very light tank or autocannon. Hm. In terms of game mechanics I don't see much difference, but I guess you do need to buy different ammo for it. Thanks. Anyway, how about question 1? |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:21 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
Well... The Gauss has a better AP (Half -4), which is loads better than the Barrett. The Barrett has a better selection of Rounds which it can use.
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Mar 31 2011, 02:22 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
The Gauss is a little more illegal and expensive, fewer ammo options, and it's a Heavy Weapon. … And it's a giant cannon.
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Mar 31 2011, 02:23 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 08:22 PM) The Gauss is a little more illegal and expensive, fewer ammo options, and it's a Heavy Weapon. … And it's a giant cannon. Indeed, what more need be said? |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:34 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 31 2011, 10:23 AM) Indeed, what more need be said? Maybe he will listen to Reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:38 AM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:22 PM) The Gauss is a little more illegal and expensive, fewer ammo options, and it's a Heavy Weapon. … And it's a giant cannon. Actually, I'd call the Thunderstruck a rather small "cannon". But it IS awfully big for a personal weapon, I'll give you that. And it kicks ass. |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:41 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
You're right. I did mean it's giant, and it's a cannon.
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Mar 31 2011, 02:42 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 30 2011, 06:21 PM) Well... The Gauss has a better AP (Half -4), which is loads better than the Barrett. The Barrett has a better selection of Rounds which it can use. Which book shows Gauss to have Half-4 AP? my copy of arsenal says just -4. I didn't think of the Barret's ammo selection though, good idea. couldn't I use AV rounds in it for stacking AP (-4 and -4 = -8 )? Aw, dang, those are for Assault Cannons. |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:46 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's in the description rules.
The Gauss must use Gauss rounds. |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:48 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Mar 30 2011, 06:42 PM) Which book shows Gauss to have Half-4 AP? my copy of arsenal says just -4. I didn't think of the Barret's ammo selection though, good idea. couldn't I use AV rounds in it for stacking AP (-4 and -4 = -8 )? Aw, dang, those are for Assault Cannons. Wait! nevermind, AV rounds aren't just for assault cannons. |
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Mar 31 2011, 02:52 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 06:46 PM) It's in the description rules. The Gauss must use Gauss rounds. Yes, but the gauss rounds don't have any AP, so I still don't see where he got half-4. |
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Mar 31 2011, 03:08 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
That's innate to the gun. Be sure to read that other thread, too.
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Mar 31 2011, 03:39 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 07:08 PM) That's innate to the gun. Be sure to read that other thread, too. I looked at the other thread and it said the feature was in the errata. I didn't see any related entries in the table of contents for Arsenal, so I just looked up every use of the word "Gauss" in the book. All the mounted Gauss cannons have AP half-X, but I didn't see any generalizations. |
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Mar 31 2011, 03:52 AM
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Yup, it's in the errata (cuz it's an error). Gauss weapons all get it. Without it, it's just a very expensive assault cannon with SA, so I can see your confusion.
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Mar 31 2011, 04:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 07:52 PM) Yup, it's in the errata (cuz it's an error). Gauss weapons all get it. Without it, it's just a very expensive assault cannon with SA, so I can see your confusion. Thanks for that, but is the errata listed somewhere online, or is it just generally accepted? I didn't see it in the book. |
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Mar 31 2011, 04:06 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
If it were in the book, they wouldn't need errata! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's on the official website.
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Mar 31 2011, 04:08 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 08:06 PM) If it were in the book, they wouldn't need errata! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) It's on the official website. Good point. Thanks! |
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Mar 31 2011, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (phlapjack77 @ Mar 31 2011, 04:34 AM) Maybe he will listen to Reason (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Everybody listens to reason. |
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Mar 31 2011, 10:45 AM
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CAn you provide a link because I am not finding it on the official site. Maybe I am being dense and missing it.
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Mar 31 2011, 10:47 AM
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Mar 31 2011, 01:51 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 30 2011, 10:41 PM) You're right. I did mean it's giant, and it's a cannon. So is the Barrett. |
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Mar 31 2011, 01:57 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Nuh uh. That's giant, but it's a rifle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
So, I just re-watched Robocop recently, and I noticed that their assault cannons had no recoil (unbraced and hip-fired). *That* must be why the SR ones don't, hehe. |
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