 So, I saw Sucker Punch..., All spoilers, obviously |
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 Apr 8 2011, 02:29 AM
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Manus Celer Dei  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,863 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802  |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 7 2011, 05:24 PM)  The thing to ask is: What is reality? What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it. ~J -------------------- Failure: when your best just isn't good enough.
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Apr 8 2011, 03:16 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 13,814 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
That's the trick...
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Apr 8 2011, 05:55 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 12,668 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Reality is: HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE!
See this here very thread . . In some people's reality, Sucker Punch was an OK / good movie . . In MY reality? It sucks hard . . -------------------- TrogCorp, Join us while it is still voluntary!
THE nsrcg.zip! isn't it a pity that common sense ain't RAW? |
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Apr 8 2011, 12:45 PM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,180 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 7 2011, 09:29 PM) What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it. ~J Tell that to hallucinating schizophrenics. -------------------- Knowledge sometimes confuses even the righteous. - Grinder
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Apr 8 2011, 02:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 567 Joined: 22-June 09 From: Ucluelet - Tofino - Nanaimo Salish-Sahide Council Member No.: 17,309 |
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 7 2011, 01:50 PM) Because the Evil Pimp was really just an unarmed orderly and he doesn't really have a gun. Also, Baby Doll's inability to save the imaginary girls is a metaphor for the depression and learned helplessness produced by years of abuse at the hands of her stepfather and ultimately her inability to save her sister due to her actual tactical ineptitude, which is what drives her to sacrifice herself in the end. She holds her 1911 incorrectly because she doesn't know how to hold it. She isn't a badass warrior. She's a little girl who has been raped repeatedly by her stepfather, who accidentally accidentally killed her sister trying to protect her from the same fate, and who was thrown into a mental institution because she didn't have the fortitude to speak up and tell the truth. She needs to pretend that she's a badass warrior so that she has the strength to go through with her plan, but it's all a lie. Well, it's probably all a lie. With the Wise Man showing up at the end, and the anachronisms in the dream world battle sequences it is possible that they were all real somehow. Oh man, I am so glad someone else who watched this picked up on this stuff. What did you think of the ending when the screen went dark and it was still narrating before the credits rolled? -------------------- QUOTE (kanislatrans @ Jan 21 2010, 10:29 PM) Like a rain in the desert, things are going to soak it up and bloom like crazy. Walk in Beauty, kanis QUOTE (Abstruse @ Mar 21 2011, 03:23 PM) To paraphrase a shadowtalker from Neo-Anarchist's Guide to Real Life, "Great, now you can flatten machine gun ammo against magical shields faster than ever!" |
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Apr 8 2011, 03:50 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,179 Joined: 10-June 10 From: St. Louis, UCAS/CAS Border Member No.: 18,688 |
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 8 2011, 03:29 AM) What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it. Streetlights. People. (oh hoh ohhhh) Don't stop believin'. -------------------- |
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Apr 8 2011, 07:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,031 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
"I attempt to disbelieve!"
How does one even do that? -------------------- The good old days. When vampires sucked blood, not dick.
-SuperboyConnerKent, in the comments section, http://youtu.be/Y33hGaEgW7U |
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Apr 8 2011, 07:26 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 12,668 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Willpower, pure and simple.
Maybe it's a composure test under SR4, i don't know . . -------------------- TrogCorp, Join us while it is still voluntary!
THE nsrcg.zip! isn't it a pity that common sense ain't RAW? |
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Apr 8 2011, 11:30 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,071 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 7 2011, 02:24 PM) The thing to ask is: What is reality? Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? -------------------- You are kicking the baby jesus with hitler. you don't want to kick the baby jesus with hitler, do you? - mfb
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Apr 8 2011, 11:49 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,877 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Apr 8 2011, 08:30 PM) Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy? Caught in a landslide No escape from reality -------------------- "God does not play dice with the universe; He plays an ineffable game of His own devising, which might be compared, from the perspective of any of the other players,* to being involved in an obscure and complex version of poker in a pitch-dark room, with blank cards, for infinite stakes, with a Dealer who won't tell you the rules, and who smiles all the time."
--- * i.e., everybody. SR4 Explosives |
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Apr 9 2011, 12:09 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,676 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 8 2011, 03:23 PM) "I attempt to disbelieve!" How does one even do that? Traditionally, using logical deduction. Illusions are rarely perfect, either because they don't match physical reality or because they make no sense in context. The hero sees the logical inconsistencies in the illusion and calls it for what it is. Hero A is treking through the desert on his way to fight the Dark Lord. At some point he encounters an oasis with a helpful old man who offers him water and directions. About half way through his second cup he notices that the old man isn't sweating, in spite of the fact that its over 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Then he notices that the water he's been drinking tastes a lot like sand. He calls the old man out and the whole oasis vanishes; it was all an illusion created by the Dark Lord to sidetrack him. Hero B is treking through an old Romanian castle. He doesn't really believe in vampires, he was just separated from the tour group and can't find his way out. He did take a wooden stake, anyway. The tour guide insisted and it was free. Along the way he finds a bedroom, and inside he sees Cindy Marshal and Heather Sims making out on the antique king-sized four-poster bed with silk sheets. They beckon him to join them, telling him that they come all the way to Romania to apologize for the way they treated him. They expose their considerable assets to his gaze. But he remembers that Cindy and Heather hate each other even more than they hate him. He remembers that no one back home knew he was going to Romania, he changed flights at the last minute. And he remembers that there is no way they could have beaten him down that old muddy road to this craphole village in the middle of the creepy old forest. So he slams the door closed, and narrowly avoids being eaten by the Brides of Mackula. Later, after all the vampires have been staked, be wonders if he made a terrible mistake. Sure, they were vampires, but they were hot vampires. -------------------- QUOTE (Thomas Jefferson) As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks. Your name is Toby |
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Apr 9 2011, 12:55 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 13,814 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 8 2011, 07:09 PM) Traditionally, using logical deduction. Illusions are rarely perfect, either because they don't match physical reality or because they make no sense in context. The hero sees the logical inconsistencies in the illusion and calls it for what it is. You also have to want to disbelieve. If it's something you desire greatly... Well... There's not much call to wish it away, is there? |
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Apr 9 2011, 01:06 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,676 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 8 2011, 07:55 PM) You also have to want to disbelieve. If it's something you desire greatly... Well... There's not much call to wish it away, is there? Common sense. A poorly crafted illusion will obviously be an illusion. And even a well crafted one will have unignorable errors eventually. The point of requiring a disbelief roll is to determine if your PC notices such errors. Obviously, you know that it's an illusion. So if illusions could be disbelieved automatically they'd be pretty much worthless. -------------------- QUOTE (Thomas Jefferson) As to the species of exercise, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise, and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun, therefore, be the constant companion to your walks. Your name is Toby |
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Apr 9 2011, 01:54 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,980 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
-------------------- I see myself as witty, urbane, highly talented, hugely successful with a keen sense of style. Plus of course my own special brand of modesty.
I play a geriatric black ops ninja wizard with laser eyes, and a pink mohawked pixie driving a human suit. I optimize ...differently. |
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Apr 9 2011, 02:44 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,031 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
What a great movie that was.
-------------------- The good old days. When vampires sucked blood, not dick.
-SuperboyConnerKent, in the comments section, http://youtu.be/Y33hGaEgW7U |
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Apr 9 2011, 04:25 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 13,814 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 8 2011, 08:06 PM) Common sense. A poorly crafted illusion will obviously be an illusion. And even a well crafted one will have unignorable errors eventually. The point of requiring a disbelief roll is to determine if your PC notices such errors. Obviously, you know that it's an illusion. So if illusions could be disbelieved automatically they'd be pretty much worthless. Work tech support. You'll find how uncommon "Common Sense" truly is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Apr 11 2011, 04:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 521 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
i thought about actaully seeing this. chicks are hot. any hot lessie scenes?
-------------------- Her lips were red, her looks were free,
Her locks were yellow as gold: Her skin was white as leprosy, The Nightmare Life-in-Death was she, Who thicks man's blood with cold. |
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Apr 11 2011, 08:16 AM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 12,668 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
none.
-------------------- TrogCorp, Join us while it is still voluntary!
THE nsrcg.zip! isn't it a pity that common sense ain't RAW? |
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Apr 11 2011, 02:02 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 16,863 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
-------------------- Failure: when your best just isn't good enough.
The SR3R Project: polishing the rough edges of Shadowrun, 3rd Edition. Contributors always welcome. |
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Apr 13 2011, 08:15 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 99 Joined: 10-November 10 From: australia Member No.: 19,167 |
its the story of baby doll as told by sweat pea
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Apr 14 2011, 01:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 521 Joined: 26-February 02 From: In a hot tub, with lots of bubbles and champagne waiting for you. Member No.: 1,972 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 11 2011, 09:16 AM) none. bah -------------------- Her lips were red, her looks were free,
Her locks were yellow as gold: Her skin was white as leprosy, The Nightmare Life-in-Death was she, Who thicks man's blood with cold. |
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Jun 5 2011, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 4 2011, 03:52 PM) What are you talking about? There was only one Matrix movie. There were only 3 Indiana Jones, Die Hard and Star Wars Movies. I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA! and there was only one Back to the Future movies.... gah the other 2 were horrid. -------------------- In the end, we are all wyrm food. |
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Jun 5 2011, 07:37 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,781 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
Your one of the only people i know to say that, Back to the Future is generally held up as an example of a trilogy done right. Some liked the sequels less but i've always heard it chalked up to how hard it is to catch lightning in a bottle.
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If the GM doesn't understand the magic system it gets more powerful If the GM doesn't understand the matrix system it gets less powerful. "Ok guys it's been a couple weeks since we've played, the last thing I remember Foggy doing was Damien Knight" - As far as character highlights go it's not that bad. |
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Jun 5 2011, 10:40 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 1-June 11 Member No.: 30,829 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jun 5 2011, 02:37 PM) Your one of the only people i know to say that, Back to the Future is generally held up as an example of a trilogy done right. Some liked the sequels less but i've always heard it chalked up to how hard it is to catch lightning in a bottle. i had a problem with all the movies i guess, i wanted to like all 3 so badly, as the premise of the series is good. im a huge michael j fox fan, but yeah, the 1st movie was the only of the 3 that i really enjoyed. -------------------- In the end, we are all wyrm food. |
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