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> So, I saw Sucker Punch..., All spoilers, obviously
Kagetenshi
post Apr 8 2011, 02:29 AM
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The thing to ask is: What is reality?

What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.

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post Apr 8 2011, 03:16 AM
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That's the trick...
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post Apr 8 2011, 05:55 AM
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Reality is: HIGHLY SUBJECTIVE!
See this here very thread . .
In some people's reality, Sucker Punch was an OK / good movie . .
In MY reality? It sucks hard . .
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post Apr 8 2011, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 7 2011, 09:29 PM) *
What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.

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Tell that to hallucinating schizophrenics.
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post Apr 8 2011, 02:38 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 7 2011, 01:50 PM) *
Because the Evil Pimp was really just an unarmed orderly and he doesn't really have a gun.

Also, Baby Doll's inability to save the imaginary girls is a metaphor for the depression and learned helplessness produced by years of abuse at the hands of her stepfather and ultimately her inability to save her sister due to her actual tactical ineptitude, which is what drives her to sacrifice herself in the end.


She holds her 1911 incorrectly because she doesn't know how to hold it. She isn't a badass warrior. She's a little girl who has been raped repeatedly by her stepfather, who accidentally accidentally killed her sister trying to protect her from the same fate, and who was thrown into a mental institution because she didn't have the fortitude to speak up and tell the truth. She needs to pretend that she's a badass warrior so that she has the strength to go through with her plan, but it's all a lie.

Well, it's probably all a lie. With the Wise Man showing up at the end, and the anachronisms in the dream world battle sequences it is possible that they were all real somehow.


Oh man, I am so glad someone else who watched this picked up on this stuff. What did you think of the ending when the screen went dark and it was still narrating before the credits rolled?
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post Apr 8 2011, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 8 2011, 03:29 AM) *
What doesn't go away when you stop believing in it.


Streetlights. People. (oh hoh ohhhh)

Don't stop believin'.
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post Apr 8 2011, 07:23 PM
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"I attempt to disbelieve!"

How does one even do that?
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post Apr 8 2011, 07:26 PM
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Willpower, pure and simple.
Maybe it's a composure test under SR4, i don't know . .
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post Apr 8 2011, 11:30 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 7 2011, 02:24 PM) *
The thing to ask is: What is reality?


Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?
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post Apr 8 2011, 11:49 PM
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QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Apr 8 2011, 08:30 PM) *
Is this the real life? Is this just fantasy?


Caught in a landslide
No escape from reality
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post Apr 9 2011, 12:09 AM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Apr 8 2011, 03:23 PM) *
"I attempt to disbelieve!"

How does one even do that?

Traditionally, using logical deduction. Illusions are rarely perfect, either because they don't match physical reality or because they make no sense in context. The hero sees the logical inconsistencies in the illusion and calls it for what it is.

Hero A is treking through the desert on his way to fight the Dark Lord. At some point he encounters an oasis with a helpful old man who offers him water and directions. About half way through his second cup he notices that the old man isn't sweating, in spite of the fact that its over 120 degrees Fahrenheit. Then he notices that the water he's been drinking tastes a lot like sand. He calls the old man out and the whole oasis vanishes; it was all an illusion created by the Dark Lord to sidetrack him.

Hero B is treking through an old Romanian castle. He doesn't really believe in vampires, he was just separated from the tour group and can't find his way out. He did take a wooden stake, anyway. The tour guide insisted and it was free.

Along the way he finds a bedroom, and inside he sees Cindy Marshal and Heather Sims making out on the antique king-sized four-poster bed with silk sheets. They beckon him to join them, telling him that they come all the way to Romania to apologize for the way they treated him. They expose their considerable assets to his gaze. But he remembers that Cindy and Heather hate each other even more than they hate him. He remembers that no one back home knew he was going to Romania, he changed flights at the last minute. And he remembers that there is no way they could have beaten him down that old muddy road to this craphole village in the middle of the creepy old forest.
So he slams the door closed, and narrowly avoids being eaten by the Brides of Mackula.
Later, after all the vampires have been staked, be wonders if he made a terrible mistake. Sure, they were vampires, but they were hot vampires.





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post Apr 9 2011, 12:55 AM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 8 2011, 07:09 PM) *
Traditionally, using logical deduction. Illusions are rarely perfect, either because they don't match physical reality or because they make no sense in context. The hero sees the logical inconsistencies in the illusion and calls it for what it is.

You also have to want to disbelieve. If it's something you desire greatly... Well... There's not much call to wish it away, is there?
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post Apr 9 2011, 01:06 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 8 2011, 07:55 PM) *
You also have to want to disbelieve. If it's something you desire greatly... Well... There's not much call to wish it away, is there?


Common sense. A poorly crafted illusion will obviously be an illusion. And even a well crafted one will have unignorable errors eventually.

The point of requiring a disbelief roll is to determine if your PC notices such errors. Obviously, you know that it's an illusion. So if illusions could be disbelieved automatically they'd be pretty much worthless.
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post Apr 9 2011, 01:54 AM
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Why are you sweating?




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post Apr 9 2011, 02:44 PM
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What a great movie that was.
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post Apr 9 2011, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (hyzmarca @ Apr 8 2011, 08:06 PM) *
Common sense. A poorly crafted illusion will obviously be an illusion. And even a well crafted one will have unignorable errors eventually.

The point of requiring a disbelief roll is to determine if your PC notices such errors. Obviously, you know that it's an illusion. So if illusions could be disbelieved automatically they'd be pretty much worthless.

Work tech support. You'll find how uncommon "Common Sense" truly is. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Apr 11 2011, 04:02 AM
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i thought about actaully seeing this. chicks are hot. any hot lessie scenes?
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post Apr 11 2011, 08:16 AM
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none.
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post Apr 11 2011, 02:02 PM
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post Apr 13 2011, 08:15 AM
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its the story of baby doll as told by sweat pea
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post Apr 14 2011, 01:33 AM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 11 2011, 09:16 AM) *
none.


bah
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post Jun 5 2011, 01:31 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Apr 4 2011, 03:52 PM) *
What are you talking about?
There was only one Matrix movie.
There were only 3 Indiana Jones, Die Hard and Star Wars Movies.
I CAN'T HEAR YOU! LA LA LA!


and there was only one Back to the Future movies.... gah the other 2 were horrid.
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post Jun 5 2011, 07:37 PM
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Your one of the only people i know to say that, Back to the Future is generally held up as an example of a trilogy done right. Some liked the sequels less but i've always heard it chalked up to how hard it is to catch lightning in a bottle.
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post Jun 5 2011, 10:40 PM
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QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jun 5 2011, 02:37 PM) *
Your one of the only people i know to say that, Back to the Future is generally held up as an example of a trilogy done right. Some liked the sequels less but i've always heard it chalked up to how hard it is to catch lightning in a bottle.


i had a problem with all the movies i guess, i wanted to like all 3 so badly, as the premise of the series is good. im a huge michael j fox fan, but yeah, the 1st movie was the only of the 3 that i really enjoyed.
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