Chummer Character Generator Options

[Jazz]

The classic "Microphone" (SR4A Flavour p.334, stats p.333), even as a mounted sensor, is avaibility 0, not 4.

By the way, the capacity of this microphone should the one of its rank.

edit - the problem seems deeper than that : p333, this microphone in the "Audio sensor and enhancer" should have a capacity of Rank/[1].

This comes from the errata pdf :
http://www.shadowrun4.com/wp-content/uploa...R4A_changes.pdf

Last page, §Street Gear :

* Imaging Devices and Sensors have been given their own category
as have Audio Devices and Sensors. Diff erent devices now have
diff erent ratings/Capacity values which aff ect the number of
vision enhancements that they can fi t.

(table)

* All Vision and Audio Enhancements now have a Capacity cost of
1 for the purposes of integration in Imaging Devices and Sensors,
except Ultrasound which has a cost of 2.

[Nebular]

So I used to help with the XSLT files for the old SR3 program's files. I added some features into your Shadowrun 4.xsl file that I thought might interest you from those old days:
http://www.oldforest.net/srchars/Shadowrun4Paged.xsl

I added into your bottom "section header" bars 2 buttons:

1) "Show: YES/NO" - I assigned IDs to each of your DIV blocks. Clicking on this button will cause the section to not print out when you print it if it is "NO".

2) "Page-break: YES/NO" - This one causes a Page-Break to be inserted after this block if you click it to "YES".

That's actually a really interesting solution to the whole page break problem. I've made a few changes so that the items are spans instead of table cells which don't print and mess up the colouring/sizing of the bottom bars, and made page breaks happen after the item instead of before. I'll roll this into the SR4 character sheet for the next update. Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Nebular]

- Price of an empty Credstick is not 25Y + 1 = 26 (at rating 1), it's a flat 25. You should make credstick able to go rating 0.

I'll have the Credsticks broken out int their own colours for the next update and will start with a Rating of 0 (empty).

[Nebular]

By the way, the capacity of this microphone should the one of its rank.

edit - the problem seems deeper than that : p333, this microphone in the "Audio sensor and enhancer" should have a capacity of Rank/[1].

Microphone will have its Capacity updated to match its Rating for the next update. The Capacity [1] Microphone is already in there: it's listed as "Microphone, Micro".

[Nebular]

Found an odd one. Ballistic Shield is +6/+4 but lists the B/I in the Print preview as 12/8, regardless of how much armour is added.

It still calculates the encumberence properly.

Neat. This happens with any Armor that has +X value when it's the only highest-rated Ballistic or Impact Armor worn by the character. It incorrectly thought it was the highest piece of Armor, then stacked the "+" bonus on top of itself. This will be fixed in the next update. (It will be a light update this week since I ended up devoting a ton of time to another little project that thankfully should require minimal work from now-on, and the release of Deus Ex. Mmmm. On the plus side, there's not a whole lot of stuff really left outstanding (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )

[EpicSpire]

I have been enjoying Chummer for a few weeks now, But i have a suggestion or two.

i noticed when i went to update my character who is an adept with the Linguistic power and the linguistic Quality that the character generator wants to charge me karma for the languages I learn. I know i can go to the karma page and get refunds, but was wondering if these two abilities could be somehow coded as to not charge Karma for languages (if learned through the Power) and all language learned by a character with the quality would automatically have a rating 3 in it.

Also.

is there a way to turn off the encumbrance rule, there are a few house rules for encumbrance that are not on the generator that my group(s) use and having the encumbrance show up on the sheet is confusing at times.

Other than those two nit picks, I have'nt found any issues with the program (well when i do find an issue it is corrected in the next update,.. so good work)

thanks

[Nebular]

i noticed when i went to update my character who is an adept with the Linguistic power and the linguistic Quality that the character generator wants to charge me karma for the languages I learn. I know i can go to the karma page and get refunds, but was wondering if these two abilities could be somehow coded as to not charge Karma for languages (if learned through the Power) and all language learned by a character with the quality would automatically have a rating 3 in it.

Also.

is there a way to turn off the encumbrance rule, there are a few house rules for encumbrance that are not on the generator that my group(s) use and having the encumbrance show up on the sheet is confusing at times.

You can add the Linguist Quality to your character without being changed for it by selecting the Free! checkbox in the Select a Quality window as well. It will still ask if you want to spend the Karma on the item and create an Expense Entry for it, but it will be for 0 Karma (it's just there to show that you took it for free). This is likely how I'll leave it - I don't want to hard-code anything if I don't have to since someone may create custom stuff that may mimic it, and there are just so many possibilities with Quality/Power combinations that the Free! method is a nice catch-all for those situations. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (Just be sure to select a Quality first, then select Free! - it currently throws an error if you don't have a Quality selected when Free! is clicked and will be fixed in the next update).

I'll add in the No Armor Encumbrance and Alternate Armor Encumbrance (BOD+STR) house rules that you and Aku requested in the next update as well.

[ShadowWalker]

You can add the Linguist Quality to your character without being changed for it by selecting the Free! checkbox in the Select a Quality window as well. It will still ask if you want to spend the Karma on the item and create an Expense Entry for it, but it will be for 0 Karma (it's just there to show that you took it for free). This is likely how I'll leave it - I don't want to hard-code anything if I don't have to since someone may create custom stuff that may mimic it, and there are just so many possibilities with Quality/Power combinations that the Free! method is a nice catch-all for those situations. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (Just be sure to select a Quality first, then select Free! - it currently throws an error if you don't have a Quality selected when Free! is clicked and will be fixed in the next update).

I'll add in the No Armor Encumbrance and Alternate Armor Encumbrance (BOD+STR) house rules that you and Aku requested in the next update as well.

I think what he is getting at is that the Linguistics Adept power makes the first point of any language cost no karma to buy. All subsequent increases cost karma.

[EpicSpire]

I think what he is getting at is that the Linguistics Adept power makes the first point of any language cost no karma to buy. All subsequent increases cost karma.

yes, my character started the game with the Power and the Quality. The power allows the character to learn languages without spending Karma (and in a really short amount of time). The quality allows all languages that are learned to be treated as 2 ranks higher.

there for my force 6 adept could spend 4 hours and learn Russian at rank 3 at the cost of 0 Karma.

the refund is doable, but the down side is that if i only have 2 karma then the generator reads that i don't have enough karma to learn Russian at rank 3 from rank 0.

if the Karma check could warn you that you dont have the karma to spend and ask if you want to spend it anyways with a negative karma in your expense log.. that would be fine,.. then i can refund the negative.

or

I could just write the languages in if hard coding will be to much trouble.

also

Thanks for getting on the Encumbrance.

[ShadowWalker]

yes, my character started the game with the Power and the Quality. The power allows the character to learn languages without spending Karma (and in a really short amount of time). The quality allows all languages that are learned to be treated as 2 ranks higher.

there for my force 6 adept could spend 4 hours and learn Russian at rank 3 at the cost of 0 Karma.

the refund is doable, but the down side is that if i only have 2 karma then the generator reads that i don't have enough karma to learn Russian at rank 3 from rank 0.

if the Karma check could warn you that you dont have the karma to spend and ask if you want to spend it anyways with a negative karma in your expense log.. that would be fine,.. then i can refund the negative.

or

I could just write the languages in if hard coding will be to much trouble.

also

Thanks for getting on the Encumbrance.

The extra 2 rating points you get from the quality are recorded separate from the skill itself as a bonus to the skills rating. So you don't learn Russian to a rating of 3, you learn it to a rating of 1 and get a bonus to it's rating of 2 points. Normally it would cost 2 karma, so what you do is put in the bonus karma to cover the cost, then buy the skill.
Although really the affect from the linguist power should be taken into account.

[EpicSpire]

oh, wow.. i always played it that you would normally (without the power) pay to get a rating of 1 in a language, and then the lingustic quality will bump it to rating 3, which is good - but the down side is now you have to pay to go from 3 to 4 not 1 to 2 the next time you want to increase (which is still good cause you didnt pay for 1-2 or 2-3)

[ShadowWalker]

oh, wow.. i always played it that you would normally (without the power) pay to get a rating of 1 in a language, and then the lingustic quality will bump it to rating 3, which is good - but the down side is now you have to pay to go from 3 to 4 not 1 to 2 the next time you want to increase (which is still good cause you didnt pay for 1-2 or 2-3)

yeah, that's not how it works. The bonus from the quality is not included when calculating the cost of increasing your skill.
So you have to pay to go to a 2 then 3, but your skills would be a 5, if you actually bought the language to a 6 your skill rating in that language would be an 8.
Also because of the rating x1.5 rule as your max modified skill rating, a 1 would only be a 2. You would have to buy the skill to a 3 in order to get the full benefit from the quality.

[KarmaInferno]

I just remembered - as per page 103 of the Runner's Companion, all RC metavariants, AIs, critters, etc should have the Distinctive Style negative quality (with no BP bonus).





-k

[Bobby]

Quick bug report: the Physical track in the 'Other info' is calculated correctly at 7 (because the character is a Gnome which comes with neoteny ) but the tooltip doesn't take that into account

[Nebular]

Quick bug report: the Physical track in the 'Other info' is calculated correctly at 7 (because the character is a Gnome which comes with neoteny ) but the tooltip doesn't take that into account

Whoops. The code to build the tooltip was looking for modifiers greater than zero instead of modifiers not equal to zero. This will be fixed in the next update.

[Credstick]

I would really like to see the Skills tab act like the other tabs, example Cyberware or Qualities section.
The others like Qualities and Cyberware work so cleanly and look clean and are easy to reference.
The skills tab is a bit more visually chaotic and hard to reference.

If this modification could be done, I would be so grateful, and I think users would enjoy this change.
Can other users let me know if they support this decision?

Nebular, what is your take?

[Nebular]

I think what he is getting at is that the Linguistics Adept power makes the first point of any language cost no karma to buy. All subsequent increases cost karma.

You're right. I have no idea where my brain was when I answered that one. For some reason I saw the Power and Quality mentioned together and immediately thought it offered the Linguist Quality for free. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) This will be in the next update. You will need to remove and re-add the Linguistics Adept Power in order for the change to take effect once the update is available.

[Nebular]

I would really like to see the Skills tab act like the other tabs, example Cyberware or Qualities section.
The others like Qualities and Cyberware work so cleanly and look clean and are easy to reference.
The skills tab is a bit more visually chaotic and hard to reference.

If this modification could be done, I would be so grateful, and I think users would enjoy this change.
Can other users let me know if they support this decision?

Nebular, what is your take?

The Skills tab is going to stay the way it is, largely because any character can default on so many Active Skills. In Create Mode, it's a little bit of a mess, but you can filter it down to Skills with Rating > 0 and Skills with Total Rating > 0 in Career Mode to see things that are more relevant to you.

[Credstick]

Created a Troll. Only thing added was PACK Gear Kit [Focus User], same error happens when only adding [Focus Addict]
I received this error below after doing so.

CODE

See the end of this message for details on invoking
just-in-time (JIT) debugging instead of this dialog box.

************** Exception Text **************
System.NullReferenceException: Object reference not set to an instance of an object.
at Chummer.frmCreate.AddPACKSKit()
at Chummer.frmCreate.mnuSpecialAddPACKSKit_Click(Object sender, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.RaiseEvent(Object key, EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripMenuItem.OnClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleClick(EventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.HandleMouseUp(MouseEventArgs e)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEventInteractive(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripItem.FireEvent(EventArgs e, ToolStripItemEventType met)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.OnMouseUp(MouseEventArgs mea)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WmMouseUp(Message& m, MouseButtons button, Int32 clicks)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ScrollableControl.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStrip.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.ToolStripDropDown.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.OnMessage(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.Control.ControlNativeWindow.WndProc(Message& m)
at System.Windows.Forms.NativeWindow.Callback(IntPtr hWnd, Int32 msg, IntPtr wparam, IntPtr lparam)


************** Loaded Assemblies **************
mscorlib
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.235 (RTMGDR.030319-2300)
CodeBase: file:///c:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v4.0.30319/mscorlib.dll
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Chummer
Assembly Version: 0.0.0.180
Win32 Version: 0.0.0.180
CodeBase: file:///D:/Documents%20and%20Settings/bobo/My%20Documents/Downloads/Applications/SR4CG/Chummer/Chummer.exe
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System.Windows.Forms
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.235 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Windows.Forms/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Windows.Forms.dll
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System.Drawing
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.1 built by: RTMRel
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Drawing/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Drawing.dll
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System
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.236 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.dll
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System.Xml
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.225 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Xml/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Xml.dll
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System.Configuration
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.1 (RTMRel.030319-0100)
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Configuration/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b03f5f7f11d50a3a/System.Configuration.dll
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System.Core
Assembly Version: 4.0.0.0
Win32 Version: 4.0.30319.225 built by: RTMGDR
CodeBase: file:///C:/WINDOWS/Microsoft.Net/assembly/GAC_MSIL/System.Core/v4.0_4.0.0.0__b77a5c561934e089/System.Core.dll
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************** JIT Debugging **************
To enable just-in-time (JIT) debugging, the .config file for this
application or computer (machine.config) must have the
jitDebugging value set in the system.windows.forms section.
The application must also be compiled with debugging
enabled.

For example:

<configuration>
<system.windows.forms jitDebugging="true" />
</configuration>

When JIT debugging is enabled, any unhandled exception
will be sent to the JIT debugger registered on the computer
rather than be handled by this dialog box.

[Credstick]

The Skills tab is going to stay the way it is, largely because any character can default on so many Active Skills. In Create Mode, it's a little bit of a mess, but you can filter it down to Skills with Rating > 0 and Skills with Total Rating > 0 in Career Mode to see things that are more relevant to you.

What if a change to the other tabs method with all the active skills and skill groups added already?
Then changes to other parts of the character would allow for value augmentation, this would do something like add a sub-item to the base active skill.

Example

CODE

Skill Groups
Animal Husbandry 1
Build Point 1
Athletics 0
...
Active Skills
Aeronautics Mechanic 0
Animal Handling 1
Animal Training 1
...
Riding 1

[Nebular]

Created a Troll. Only thing added was PACK Gear Kit [Focus User], same error happens when only adding [Focus Addict]
I received this error below after doing so.

Looks like the Foci in the file need to be updated since Spellcasting and Sustaining Foci were split into their individual categories. This will be included with the next update.

[EpicSpire]

You're right. I have no idea where my brain was when I answered that one. For some reason I saw the Power and Quality mentioned together and immediately thought it offered the Linguist Quality for free. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) This will be in the next update. You will need to remove and re-add the Linguistics Adept Power in order for the change to take effect once the update is available.

you are awesome, thanks

[KarmaInferno]

[*]Movement Speed Improvements no longer affect Fly or Swim Movement Speeds which throw errors (and shouldn't be modified)

Now the movement speeds don't show up at all on the character sheets unless some modifier like raptor legs or celerity has been applied to them.



-k

[KeyMasterOfGozer]

That's actually a really interesting solution to the whole page break problem. I've made a few changes so that the items are spans instead of table cells which don't print and mess up the colouring/sizing of the bottom bars, and made page breaks happen after the item instead of before. I'll roll this into the SR4 character sheet for the next update. Thanks! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Yeah, great, I'm glad you can use it. I feel like I've helped the cause now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Unfortunately, the prettying up part of HTML taxes my attention span, so I'm no good at it, but I was hoping you could take the idea and run with it.

Cheers, bud. I'll let you know if I come up with anything else interesting.

[Nebular]

Build 182

• added support for <adeptlinguistics /> to Improvement Manager which lets a character buy Rating 1 for Language Knowledge Skills for free
• updated the SR4 character sheet to include the page breaking solution by KeyMasterOfGozer
• Armor that has a Ballistic or Impact starting with "+" no longer doubles its value if it is the only piece of Armor the character is wearing
• added support for <fullburst /> and <suppressive /> to Weapons and Weapon Mods which changes the number of rounds fired in Full Burst and Suppressive firing modes respectively
• Miniguns, High Velocity Weapons, and Weapons with the High Velocity Weapon Mod now consume their correct ammo amounts when firing in Full Burst and Suppressive firing modes
• added support for creating custom Cyberware Suites based on a character through Special > Create Cyberware Suite menu item in Create Mode (all Cyberware must be of the same Grade)
• added a house rule for No Armor Encumbrance (disabled by default)
• added a house rule to use BOD+STR as the Armor Encumbrance Threshold (disabled by default)
• selecting Free! in the Select a Quality window without having a Quality selected no longer throws an error
• fixed a logic error where Condition Monitor tooltips would only show if the total modifier was greater than zero instead of not equal to zero
• fixed a logic error where Movement Speed was only printed if the character had Movement Speed Improvements
• Armor Capacity for Armor is now calculated in the Select Armor window

Outstanding Items

• Hacked Programs
• Support for Cyborgs
• Gear Cost % Adjustment
• Omae Character Feedback
• GM Character Management/Karma/Nuyen/Gear Distribution
• Multiple Clips and Different Ammo
• A.I. Inherent Programs
• Cheat Sheets?