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post May 27 2011, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (Nebular @ May 27 2011, 06:50 AM) *
I haten't checked my phsical copy yet, but Rating 3 is listed as 4 in the PDF.

Dang. So there's even more errata? The link I posted details the bow and airburst link errata, so I figured it took care of all the errata.
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post May 27 2011, 02:59 PM
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Nope. There is no actual errata for SR4A (though it clearly needs it). The conversion guide is just that. There are discrepancies between SR4, the conversion guide, the PDF SR4A, and physical SR4A. I sent another quick message to Jason as a follow-up to see whether the correct number is 4 or 4.5. Hopefully I have an official answer soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 27 2011, 04:04 PM
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QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 26 2011, 04:38 PM) *
Regarding the Mystic Adept topic, I was unaware there was a FAQ on this subject (not that I would have even looked at it anyway). I had always taken that the power invested in Magic for a Mystic Adept was like their Magic attribute for spellcasting and such (note that Counterspelling actually doesn't tie into Magic, but Body or Willpower depending on the type of spell being resisted), and what was invested in Adept powers was magic unavailable as it was fueling said Adept powers. To me, a Mystic Adept being able to invest all Magic into Adept powers and still being able to cast a spell with a DP based on their skill alone (assuming no foci are being used) crosses the line into munchkinry. Regardless, in games I run I'm still going to do it this way (Magic invested in Mana based skills limits the force of spells/spirits).


I can see your point, but I do have one counter point:

A 0 Magician 6 adept mystic adept, if they're going to overcast a force 10 spell, is getting 0 dice to add to their Spellcasting roll, assuming no foci or mentor spirits or whatever; that's a dicepool of 6 to try and get a net hit of 10 successes. The're slightly more likely to get a force 3 spell off the ground, and even then that's unreliable. When you add in foci and mentor spirits and what have you, you get a better dice pool, to be sure, but still no where near what a "true" magician can get. Not to mention I don't think any GM should allow anyone to take a 0/6 mystic adept.

That's just my 2 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) on the matter, as that's the way the GM of the game I'm in handles it, ultimately it doesn't really matter at this point. It'd be better to get everything working before additional things get added like optional rules. It's no great hassle to notate it our own game's way (There's even already a handy Notes section in the character generator).
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post May 27 2011, 05:30 PM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 26 2011, 11:52 PM) *
Found one! The Thunderstruck gauss rifle from Arsenal is actually half-4 AP. I think Glyph was the one that pointed this errata out to me. Maybe you'll find some other helful updates here.

http://www.shadowrun4.com/wp-content/uploa..._errata_132.pdf

This one is going to stay as it is since you can still technically add ammo that would reduce the AP even further.
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post May 27 2011, 05:46 PM
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The vehicle mod Modular Electronics is missing.
It can be found in the SR4A changes pdf found here

Having it installed allows for the ability to increase the Response and Signal by more than two.

There should be mods for increasing Response and Signal ratings, like the upgrades for comlinks.
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post May 27 2011, 06:06 PM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 21 2011, 04:23 PM) *
Unwired 36: Chatty should be 5 BP, it is 10 right now.

While this is what's printed, it is incorrect. The errata says it should be 10 BP. I'm putting this back in the next update.
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post May 27 2011, 06:15 PM
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A quick one:

Metagenic quality Vomeronasal Organ is listed at 10 BP in the book (RC 116), but the generator only charges 5 BP.
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post May 27 2011, 06:45 PM
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Should include Firewall for upgrading as well as Response and Signal on vehicles.

Strange that War! did not include Pilot programs past 6.
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post May 27 2011, 08:03 PM
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When in Career Mode if I buy an item with the Free! check box check and then save the file, it will open with it no longer being free.
The Free part is gone and the item now costs the full price. It now shows up on the nuyen log as full price, and it looks like the price was taken out of nuyen left over.

I was going to see if I could manually edit the character file back to to the way it was before I bought the item, but it's not easy to read.
No formatting, lots of what looks like guids.

Which makes me think. Having a way to back track a purchase, either karma or nuyen would be nice to have. This way errors can be fixed.
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post May 27 2011, 08:18 PM
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An idea for Latent Qualities.

When a Latent Quality selected have a button on the Character Info tab of the Career Mode show up, "Activate Latent Quality".
When clicked it would activate the latent quality and allow access to the full version of the appropriate quality.
Karma would need to be paid based on the difference in cost of the qualities in question. This could put the character into negative karma.

If Latent Awakening is selected then the character would need to select Magician, Adept or Mystic Adept.
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post May 27 2011, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (Nebular @ May 27 2011, 08:59 AM) *
Nope. There is no actual errata for SR4A (though it clearly needs it). The conversion guide is just that. There are discrepancies between SR4, the conversion guide, the PDF SR4A, and physical SR4A. I sent another quick message to Jason as a follow-up to see whether the correct number is 4 or 4.5. Hopefully I have an official answer soon. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Physical book lists Improved Reflexes 3 as costing 4 Power Points, so 4 is what I'm going to be putting in the file.
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post May 27 2011, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowWalker @ May 27 2011, 03:03 PM) *
When in Career Mode if I buy an item with the Free! check box check and then save the file, it will open with it no longer being free.
The Free part is gone and the item now costs the full price. It now shows up on the nuyen log as full price, and it looks like the price was taken out of nuyen left over.

I was going to see if I could manually edit the character file back to to the way it was before I bought the item, but it's not easy to read.
No formatting, lots of what looks like guids.

Which makes me think. Having a way to back track a purchase, either karma or nuyen would be nice to have. This way errors can be fixed.

I can't seem to reproduce this. What exact are you buying that creates this error?
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post May 27 2011, 09:07 PM
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QUOTE (Nebular @ May 27 2011, 04:03 PM) *
I can't seem to reproduce this. What exact are you buying that creates this error?

I bought a Delta Grade Math SPU.
I'll have to recreate the character didn't think at the time of keeping extra copies before saving. Which I'm going to do from now on.
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post May 27 2011, 09:21 PM
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Found the problem. Fixed in next update.
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post May 27 2011, 09:31 PM
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So this worked last night, but now for some reason while I am re-entering the character it's not.
The character has Genetic Heritage, and when I try to enter Genetic Optimization it shows the Free! check box, but when I select free it still charges me 36k.

I was sure this was working last night. So I've no clue why it's doing this now.
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post May 27 2011, 09:37 PM
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Have to say, Thanks! I love this generator.
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post May 27 2011, 09:51 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowWalker @ May 27 2011, 04:31 PM) *
So this worked last night, but now for some reason while I am re-entering the character it's not.
The character has Genetic Heritage, and when I try to enter Genetic Optimization it shows the Free! check box, but when I select free it still charges me 36k.

I was sure this was working last night. So I've no clue why it's doing this now.

You're in Career Mode I presume. I came across this one while looking at your other Free bug. Fixed in next update.
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post May 27 2011, 09:52 PM
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QUOTE (Nebular @ May 27 2011, 04:51 PM) *
You're in Career Mode I presume. I came across this one while looking at your other Free bug. Fixed in next update.


In this case no, it's build mode.
The free item from Genetic Heritage is only available at character creation, since it was done invetro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 27 2011, 09:55 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowWalker @ May 27 2011, 04:52 PM) *
In this case no, it's build mode.
The free item from Genetic Heritage is only available at character creation, since it was done invetro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yay! This was fixed by fixing the other issue, so there! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post May 27 2011, 10:02 PM
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When you first enter Career Mode it puts an entry for starting nuyen in the nuyen log, but it seems to always be zero.
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Seems to be working to me. Do you have a Lifestyle that provides starting Nuyen and are you entering a number for the dice total rolled?
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post May 27 2011, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (Nebular @ May 27 2011, 05:04 PM) *
Seems to be working to me. Do you have a Lifestyle that provides starting Nuyen and are you entering a number for the dice total rolled?

I've got a high lifestyle, says 4d6x500. When I change this character to career I'll check it again. But I know last time I did it, I got zero for starting cash.
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post May 27 2011, 10:09 PM
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QUOTE (SpellBinder @ May 27 2011, 02:07 AM) *
Found a few issues with Echos. One is that there's no apparent limit on how many can be selected during character creation once the first grade submersion is done (unsure if "Ignore Creation Rules" has anything to do with this). It's an optional rule outlined in Unwired, page 145, where a TM can learn additional echos limited to Resonance + Submersion grade and at 15 karma each. Also found the IPs earned from Overclocking and Advanced Overclocking didn't get deducted when the echos were removed.

I can't seem to reproduce the Overclocking/Advanced Overclocking issue. Is this still happening? If so, could you email me the save file so I can take a look at it?
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post May 27 2011, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (ShadowWalker @ May 27 2011, 05:07 PM) *
I've got a high lifestyle, says 4d6x500. When I change this character to career I'll check it again. But I know last time I did it, I got zero for starting cash.


okay, so saved the character in another file in career mode and got zero nuyen for starting cash.
Two things to note the character had 185 nuyen left over, and I checked "Ignore Character Creation Rules".
I'm thinking that maybe the starting cash gets ignored...
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post May 27 2011, 10:26 PM
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Bunch of data fixes and some of the more critical updates.

Build 98
  • put Improved Reflexes Adept Power costs to their SR4A values which have been confirmed as being the correct values by the SR product line manager
  • applied Street Magic errata to Traditions
  • applied Arsenal errata to Martial Arts
  • removed Deformity Qualities (10 BP
  • 20 BP) which should not have existed
  • corrected duplicate categories of Weapons (should have been their range instead of a duplicate category)
  • corrected reach for Rock Lizard
  • added Elemental Attack (Fire) for Scintillant Albatross
  • added Biomonitor to Armor Mods
  • removed Agent and IC Complex Forms
  • changed Chatty Positive Quality BP cost back to 10 as per Unwired errata
  • corrected BP cost of Vomeronasal Organ
  • Weapons installed on Weapon Mounts that are a part of a Vehicle's base configuration now count towards its total cost
  • Technomancer Stream field is properly populated after loading a character
  • learning a new Complex Form in Career Mode now creates a Karma Expense
  • Karma and Nuyen Expense Entries no longer throw an error when the computer's date setting are not set to en-US
  • selecting a piece of Cyberware/Bioware as Free in Career Mode is now actually free
  • fixed the anchoring for the splitter panels on the Skills tab in Career Mode
  • Ignore Character Rules no longer prevents the Starting Nuyen window from appearing when moving a character to Career Mode
  • saving a new character that is marked to move to Career Mode no longer causes the character to be opened twice after saving
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