[X] My Assistant

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Well, you have to at some point.
Is it possible to tell female from male? Is it possible to tell strong from fat? Is it possible to tell human from orc? Is it possible to tell pidgeon from pixie. I would go with no to every question. But how is it supposed to be?

Does not reallly matter. What matters is that I can now see you, when my eyes tell me nothing is there. Begin the saturation bombing... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Irion]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein

What matters is that I can now see you, when my eyes tell me nothing is there.

So you start bombing smog. Nicce. Well, I guess lone Star will take care of you...
(Now getting the point why it is important to know how the radar works and what you see?)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein

So you start bombing smog. Nicce. Well, I guess lone Star will take care of you...
(Now getting the point why it is important to know how the radar works and what you see?)

You are making an assumption here that is not warranted. I am not a moron. I understand that ground clutter is an artifact that Radar has to deal with (Which is something my characters use to their advantage). I also know that MOST forms of radar do not care about mist (I am not using Weather Radar here) or smog (while Chaff is another story). Please do not assume that I am uneducated.

[CanRay]

Never assume anyone on DumpShock is uneducated about anything. We have a really strange group of skills and knowledge sets.

And a number of posters are current/former military who might know one HELL of a lot about radar! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Draco18s]

And a number of posters are current/former military who might know one HELL of a lot about radar! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Off-topic point of curiosity:
My late grandfather helped build AWACS.
And apparently so did one of my professors (although they never met each other, as they were working on different sides of the project).

[Bigity]

I had a statistics professor at a base whose job when he was in the Army was to calculate how many people different nuke strikes would take out.


Talk about a freaking depressing job.

[toturi]

Does not reallly matter. What matters is that I can now see you, when my eyes tell me nothing is there. Begin the saturation bombing... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

If your eyes tell you nothing is there, then therefore you cannot now see me.

Your instruments (if using radar as a sensor) tell you something is supposed to be there.

[Irion]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein

I also know that MOST forms of radar do not care about mist (I am not using Weather Radar here) or smog (while Chaff is another story).

As a matter of fact the Frequency Diversity Radar, used for weather radars, would have a better chance to destinguish between mist and a pixie compared to "normal" radar.

Bio radar works with the doppler effect. (It is used for detecting victims of avalanches.
This effect is manly known from the weather forcast, because it is manly used in (you guessed it) weather radars.
You need a low frequenzy to get though objects and to "not kill the person you are looking for".
A scan takes several seconds to scan the area in the avalanche.

So I guss the poor pixie would be cooked, before you could shoot her. (This to the realism part)

(Oberating with a THz frequenzy and having a range of 200m in a city.)


I personaly don't give a crap if the "radar" in shadowrun works just like the Inertial damper in Star Treck. Put I would like to know how they are supposed to work.
Do I get my update realtime or do it update ever 10 sec. or even every min.
Does it just show walls and things it believes to be "alive" as dots?
How big do I have to be to be seen as a "alive dot"?
You could argue, that the pixie does not show up on the rader if she is more than 10 m away or even just behind a thin wall or she does not show up at all. (Or any other possibility)

(Ah, but in one instance the rules for the radar are clear. Concealment does help.)

[CanRay]

Can I use it to detect the Insect Flesh Forms as they're thirty metres away... Twenty metres away... Ten metres away...

"They'd be in the slotting room!"

FIVE METRES AWAY!

"They're in the walls!!! OPEN FIRE!!!"

[Machiavelli]

To go back to topic: the answer is "you don´t need one single point of karma before your character becomes unplayable". I created a new character 2 weeks ago (fomori-changeling with astral hazing, MBW System 2) and gave the character sheet to the GM for approvement. After approval I started playing yesterday and during Ghost Cartels he realized that i (again) created a very good character that outclassed all the other players. Some minutes ago he called me and started an argue because i alway create high-power-chars....

I didn´t read the adventure, but according to the way he gamed, it seems that this situation with the possession spirit at the last third of the adventure is not about to be solved by the players. My char. stepped into the room and beat the spirits ass and this seems to be the main reason for him to become angry. But i really don´t know what i made wrong? This was basically THE situation my char. was made for. To beat spirits asses... In every other situation this char. is nigh unplayable because he only has 3 skills at all. I also don´t know how to create loser-characters that might please him. He also told me that he has problems with my magical character that was really poorly build and now, after 130 karma, starts to outclass the team soon. Maybe i am too stubborn, maybe i don´t get the point, but a RPG is IMHO about 2 things:

1) playing your character and having fun
2) improving your character

Our GM seems to dislike point 2, so what should i do? Decline karma? Should we disallow magic in our games? Surge, high-quality cyber and bio like MBW´s? If we do that, what is left? What can i do if he has problems with 13 dices in close combat but no problems with 20 dices in automatics? Should i start letting the GM create my chars and he decides what i may rise and what not?

It would be great to hear your comments.

[toturi]

Some GMs simply cannot think outside the scenario they have been given or they are unwilling to do so, for whatever reasons. When this happens, I have seen one of 2 things happen: The good GM takes it like a man (not that I am disparaging women, but it is simply a saying where I come from), the bad GM takes it like an insult.

Personally I dislike straying from the published adventure when I am running a published adventure. If I do allow certain character options, then I brace myself when I inevitably(rarely now, but still inevitable) miss something. But I try to accept that as the cost of playing a published adventure; sometime someone has a character that's a silver bullet and as long as the players are having fun, then it doesn't really matter that I am not really enjoying myself as much.

[Machiavelli]

This might be the difference between you and our GM. I really don´t want to destroy the fun for all the other players, but i really don´t know what i can do. If i go on like that, the GM resigns to game anymore (because he is a sissy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and the other players don´t care about the run as long as they can play. So either the GM resigns or i do.^^

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

This might be the difference between you and our GM. I really don´t want to destroy the fun for all the other players, but i really don´t know what i can do. If i go on like that, the GM resigns to game anymore (because he is a sissy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) and the other players don´t care about the run as long as they can play. So either the GM resigns or i do.^^

It really Sucks to be in that position. Been there a time or two. Ended up just resigning the game and moving on to something else. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Irion]

@Machiavelli
Your GM is not a evil enough. If I would only see a Char with astral Hazing and withoug Astral vision, I would be laughing my ass off.
This guy would be in a prision cell faster than you could be saying MOVE BY WIRE SYSTEM.

Yes, of course. If a GM decides to ignore all the drawbacks of a negativ quality, well...

Astral Hazing is like pinning a big astral shield on your forehead screaming BAD BOY.

[Mongoose]

I was just asking, because i now reached 130 karma and after a little forecast i think i will reach maximum attributes (only the needed ones) and skills in another 200 karma. I am not going to raise attributes the normal way, so i save a lot of karma by anchoring "increased attributes" spells. With my decent little rating 6 spell-locks (sustaining focus) i gain access to a lot of "mundane" skills that might be needed at some time (analyze device spell) and i am not planning to initiate higher than level 5. Now i am at level 2 and with level 5 i have access to most of the metatechniques i want. My main-skills (conjuring, spellcasting, spelldefense) are already on softmax and powerfoci etc. are no option for my character.

Have you considered creating an ally spirit? (/action listens for huge vacuuming noise as karma points vanish)

I said "to become average" not "to improve." To have an average (3) Charisma the guy who dumped it to 1 has to pay 25 karma. The guy who started with a 2 only pays 15. The true generalist who started at 3 is already there.

For it to be a fair comparison, you also have to improve all characters in the areas the specialist excels in to match his ability. If you start with 1 charisma and 6 body, its a easier (less karma) to go to 3/6 than if you started with 3 charisma and 4 body

[Machiavelli]

It really Sucks to be in that position. Been there a time or two. Ended up just resigning the game and moving on to something else. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

I think this will be the result of this situation. If i stay in this group, the GM will possibly resign GM´ing which would cancel the fun for the other players. So i better leave him into his tiny little world and check out for another group (or stop playing). Somtimes things come to a natural end.

Have you considered creating an ally spirit? (/action listens for huge vacuuming noise as karma points vanish)

The GM has a problem with Magic IMHO and the power that comes with it. Creating an ally spirit will cause 2 reactions:

1) the GM first will allow the ally and after one session or two, he realizes that it is a big advantage. Then...
2) the spirit will be destroyed and i loose the karma (and the magic point i think).