 Naturally Wired, +1 IP Quality (Thoughts, Comments, Suggestions) |
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 Apr 25 2011, 02:35 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 24 2011, 07:25 PM)  A mage can already get 4 IP's without Magic Loss. What is the big deal? Whats the BP cost on that, for comparison purposes, anyway? |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:35 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It all depends. No need for sustaining is an issue. It alters the game balance, so you want to consider all the angles.
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Apr 25 2011, 02:36 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Udoshi @ Apr 24 2011, 07:35 PM) Whats the BP cost on that, for comparison purposes, anyway? Um.... 5 BP for the Spell? If you wanted to Sustain it with no penalty, another 4 BP at Character Generation, or 8 Karma to Bond in Play... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:38 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
And 16R, 40kĄ, unless you use the Edge cheat. So, 5 (spell) +4 (focus) + 8 (focus nuyen) + 5 precious Quality BP (restricted gear) = 22? Hmm.
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Apr 25 2011, 02:40 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 705 Joined: 3-April 11 Member No.: 26,658 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 25 2011, 03:25 AM) A mage can already get 4 IP's without Magic Loss. What is the big deal? 5 BP - Restricted Gear (Force 4 sustaining Focus) 4 BP - Focus Binding 3 BP - Learn Spell (Increased Reflexes) 8 BP - 40,000 nuyen resources for force 4 sustaining focus ------ 20 BP total for 4 initiative passes. Yes, you could throw in the cost of magic and spellcasting pool, but a magician should be raising those regardless, so I don't consider those. vs: 32 BP - 160,000 nuyen. resources for rank 2 synaptic booster 20 BP - Quality Naturally Wired ----- 52 BP Yeah, this quality is totally op. |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:42 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Seerow @ Apr 24 2011, 07:40 PM) 5 BP - Restricted Gear (Force 4 sustaining Focus) 4 BP - Focus Binding 3 BP - Learn Spell (Increased Reflexes) 8 BP - 40,000 nuyen resources for force 4 sustaining focus ------ 20 BP total for 4 initiative passes. Yes, you could throw in the cost of magic and spellcasting pool, but a magician should be raising those regardless, so I don't consider those. vs: 32 BP - 160,000 nuyen. resources for rank 2 synaptic booster 20 BP - Quality Naturally Wired ----- 52 BP Yeah, this quality is totally op. 52 BP is overpowered against 20 BP? In which/what Universe exactly? |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:44 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 24 2011, 07:38 PM) And 16R, 40kĄ, unless you use the Edge cheat. So, 5 (spell) +4 (focus) + 8 (focus nuyen) + 5 precious Quality BP (restricted gear) = 22? Hmm. Ooops, Forgot about Restricted Gear, AND costed the spell at 2BP to many. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:44 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's called sarcasm. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Jesus.
I dunno if chargen/BP is the best way to compare, but it's interesting. I, for one, thought it was slightly harder to max out the Increase Reflexes spell (high force). |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:48 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 24 2011, 07:44 PM) It's called sarcasm. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Jesus. I dunno if chargen/BP is the best way to compare, but it's interesting. I, for one, thought it was slightly harder to max out the Increase Reflexes spell (high force). Again, it appears that we have once again proven the need for a /Sarcasm Smiley... Would clear up a lot of confusion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Not all that Hard, Really. It is just subsumed into the costs of a regular mage most of the time. I have seen few mages that do not have access to Increase Reflexes. |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:54 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 705 Joined: 3-April 11 Member No.: 26,658 |
To clarify, yes my commentary was sarcasm that I assumed would be obvious given the disparity there.
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Apr 25 2011, 02:54 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Haha! No, it's the need for you to be better, Tymeaus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Specifically, to not assume people are insane, hehe.
That's my point: I thought it was a fair bit harder. Mages are even more OP. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 04:20 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,290 Joined: 23-January 07 From: Seattle, USA Member No.: 10,749 |
Problem with the increase initiative spell is the first time you hit a ward you have to either drop the spell or drop stealth, also background count.
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Apr 25 2011, 02:43 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 24 2011, 09:48 PM) Again, it appears that we have once again proven the need for a /Sarcasm Smiley... Would clear up a lot of confusion. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Not all that Hard, Really. It is just subsumed into the costs of a regular mage most of the time. I have seen few mages that do not have access to Increase Reflexes. QUOTE (TheOOB @ Apr 24 2011, 11:20 PM) Problem with the increase initiative spell is the first time you hit a ward you have to either drop the spell or drop stealth, also background count. You know with all the problems with Astral Barriers, Wards, Watcher Spirits, and the whole variability and Karma cost of Increased Reflexes, I am doubly glad that my Combat Medic Mage has a Synaptic Booster! It will also make hiding the fact that my Medic is a mage when I get masking. I mean who honestly thinks that a guy with two cyber hands, cyber lower leg, cyber eyes, cyber ears, and Synaptic Booster to be a mage? Much more likely to be a hacker or a wimpy street sam. |
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Apr 25 2011, 02:47 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Well, if you *have* Masking, it won't matter. Bioware is pretty hard to detect in the first place, and Masking would hide the focus, right? *shrug* It's nice to have various options.
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Apr 26 2011, 04:48 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 |
Actaully, you need Extended Masking to hide active foci and spells.
On the plus side, with a little legwork(finding the creator's aura to mimic in order to pass unhindered), you can now use it to sneak foci through wards without turning them off. |
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Apr 26 2011, 04:51 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Neat. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I always forget.
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