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[Irion]

Socinus, I know, but it's still *lame*, in a world that already has super hackers.

Well, those super hackers are mostly due to some RAW "cheat". That has nothing to do with the world.
I mean health care with the O-cells would be crazy cheap. No sick people anymore.

[Yerameyahu]

I don't know the fluff very well, but I thought the various canon hacker are *better* than PCs, munchkin or not.

[Xahn Borealis]

I always assumed they were good enough to build their own milspec hardware.

[Sixgun_Sage]

I hate the red scare analogy, Karma, for two reasons:

Ol' Joe was right about a lot of the people in government that he accused, this is usually downplayed because it isn't PC to go after someone who espouses big government as the answer, and for the second part you can figure out alot about someone's politics through observation of behavior and association. The same doesn't hold true of technomancers, they can hide in plain sight as hackers with a very limited amount of work to it and with the state of understanding how they function there are not truly reliable methods of detecting them. A lot of people are going to bring up emerged critters but to that I would point out the real world studies showing exactly how unreliable drug and bomb sniffing dogs can be in the presence of cues from a handler who does not have the proper training, and how rare that training would be in this case. The most reliable method would in fact be astrally percieving metas or sapients and even then the problem is finding ones with enough skill and making sure they know what they are seeing.

[CanRay]

Which would just be the type of thing that marketing departments would use to crank up the fear in order to sell products to "Help Protect" against Technomancer Attacks.

Notice the important word "Help", there. No guarantee.

[Xahn Borealis]

I wonder how much a technomancer could reduce these effects, by 'reassuring' the paranoid and prejudiced that they're 'one of the nice ones'. If they had sold out and come out as a technomancer, could they try and avoid this sort of response? "Look, I'm not a hacker, I work for [corp] same as you!"

[CanRay]

I wonder how much a technomancer could reduce these effects, by 'reassuring' the paranoid and prejudiced that they're 'one of the nice ones'. If they had sold out and come out as a technomancer, could they try and avoid this sort of response? "Look, I'm not a hacker, I work for [corp] same as you!"

Never dealt much with fear and prejudice, have you?

[Yerameyahu]

The *real* scary reds wouldn't make the mistake of leaving clues, though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I like the witch comparison better, but of course any analogy is not intended to be extended too far.

It's certainly true that finding a technomancer is very difficult, more so than really any historical example can give us. They're not black, they're not activists, they're not terrorists (swarthy, mountain-man, eco, or otherwise), and they're not even Awakened. But they *are* feared, and the subject of both corp propaganda and corp interest, right? So they'd have to intentionally hide (in plain sight, or not). They don't want to be suspiciously-good hackers, and obviously never brag about their power. They'd probably have secret Resonance contacts/communities as their only trusted compatriots?

[Xahn Borealis]

Never dealt much with fear and prejudice, have you?

I'm also really naive about it too!

[Sengir]

Ol' Joe was right about a lot of the people in government that he accused

Well, he was right in that a lot of people did have a short flirt with communism during the Depression. On the other hand, the idea that all those people not just continued to be communists, rather than chalking it up s juvenile weirdness, but even formed a vast network to infiltrate and undermine the US...

But you are right that it makes a poor comparison, since there never was a point in time when it was OK to associate with technomancers.


As to how people would react, I'd guess as with any unpopular minority group. They want to take over the place, seduce our women, corrupt our children, yadda yadda. If you heard anything different, that's jsut some techno-Taqiyya, or whitewashing from their buddies in the media and politics.
And the fact that technos cannot easily be detected should only make it worse, doesn't that prove they have something to hide?

[Yerameyahu]

Not that there's anything wrong with being a communist in the first place.

[Rasumichin]

Depends on the environment. Seattle tends to be ahead of the times, I think, so you wouldn't encounter lynch mobs every other day.

You know that Seattle is now governed by a guy who has ties to Humanis and advocates ork apartheit, right?

That's a good point: all the Awakened have basically paved the way for rare people among you with secret powers.

That must be why the first reaction to every new phenomenon in the 6th world, whether it's mages, metahumans, changelings or technomancers, is "let's form a mob with torches and pitchforks and kill it".

[CanRay]

You know that Seattle is now governed by a guy who has ties to Humanis and advocates ork apartheit, right?

That must be why the first reaction to every new phenomenon in the 6th world, whether it's mages, metahumans, changelings or technomancers, is "let's form a mob with torches and pitchforks and kill it".

Something tells me we're only seeing the tip of Karl. Being beaten out to a Dragon has probably warped him far more than people realize.

As for the lynch mobs, hell, it's the Former USA. A limp and hunchback is reason enough for a good ol' fashioned lynchin'! Back Hump optional. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) (And this is where the folks in the USA shoot me. A lot.).

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Something tells me we're only seeing the tip of Karl. Being beaten out to a Dragon has probably warped him far more than people realize.

As for the lynch mobs, hell, it's the Former USA. A limp and hunchback is reason enough for a good ol' fashioned lynchin'! Back Hump optional. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) (And this is where the folks in the USA shoot me. A lot.)

Indeed... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[CanRay]

Back on topic, bloody idiocy isn't going out of style any time soon.

Always remember the two most common things in the universe: Hydrogen and Stupidity, and Stupidity is Winning!

[Yerameyahu]

I already addressed that, Rasumichin. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) People 'know how' to react to weird new powers, even though it's not a *good* way.

[Udoshi]

Since it seems to be on-topic, I could use a hand from dumpshock's collective snarking powers: What are some good, stereotypical, misinformed anti-technomancer propoganda lines? The kind of crap you're likely to hear on the news, or general TM fearmongering, or even humanis' take on it.

"They could be anyone!"
"They can hack your brain!"
"I heard they're trying to bring back deus"

That kind of stuff. Its for a game I'm joining.

[Yerameyahu]

Go for a mix of Glenn Beck *and* more 'reasonable' things. So, 'they're mind-controlling everyone', but also, 'they're dangerous matrix terrorists'. That one-two punch of crazy-lies and normal-lies has proven very effective.

[CanRay]

The worry that they're the Second Coming of Dues is what has a lot of folks in the know scared.

And seems to be the basis for a lot of Clockwork's paranoia against them.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

The worry that they're the Second Coming of Dues is what has a lot of folks in the know scared.

And seems to be the basis for a lot of Clockwork's paranoia against them.

Yeah, but Clockwork is a few Springs short of a Movement anyways... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

Yeah, but Clockwork is a few Springs short of a Movement anyways... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

He'd be dangerous if he was more charismatic!

...

Actually, considering how mercenary he is, if he was charismatic, he'd probably set up an Anti-Technomancer version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

[Sixgun_Sage]

Clockwork seems to me likte the sort that would self-destruct on power trips long before he was really dangerous in a large scale way to me. That might be because he is after all a shadowrunner though...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

He'd be dangerous if he was more charismatic!
...
Actually, considering how mercenary he is, if he was charismatic, he'd probably set up an Anti-Technomancer version of the Westboro Baptist Church.

Heh... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[KarmaInferno]

I still think it'd be interesting to explore the possibility that Deus was really trying to prepare humanity for the coming of the Horrors.

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-k

[CanRay]

How K? By impersonating them?