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 Fixing mages that are too powerful, Gaming direction, yes it's fluff |
 Apr 25 2011, 06:11 PM
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#101
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007  |
I think it goes without saying that someone in orbit/space is that little bit more difficult to kill. Can we move on? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Apr 25 2011, 06:16 PM
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#102
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
NO. Moving on is not allowed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) We haven't considered the ramifications of a SECRET DROID MOON BASE… on mages. Maybe they have lasers or something.
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Apr 25 2011, 06:19 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
"Life support.... FAB III canister.... Life support.... FAB III canister.... what to do, what to do?"
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Apr 25 2011, 06:23 PM
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#104
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 25 2011, 07:53 PM)  That's not quite true: it works on the *person* using the matrix or drones. Saying that magic doesn't control the drone is like saying the rigger doesn't control the drone, just his commlink. The initial statement was that you can accomplish any mundane task at least as easy with magic. Needing the operator to be present is an obvious drawback, the delay of control thoughts anotherQUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 25 2011, 07:53 PM) I assumed it was a joke anyway, because you can easily make Awakened characters who are excellent hackers, riggers, etc. Agreed.QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 25 2011, 08:16 PM) NO. Moving on is not allowed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) We haven't considered the ramifications of a SECRET DROID MOON BASE… on mages. Maybe they have lasers or something. We also need dinosaurs..... and pirates! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)
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Apr 25 2011, 06:24 PM
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#105
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
Don't forget to consider distances that are outside the realm of what is feasible for anything that needs to travel (light or matter). This is a theoretical situation, so the pod can start at the edge of the universe if we like. Unfortunately, magic can still affect it there. Even GM plot excuse distances won't help if voids are limited to -12.
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Apr 25 2011, 06:25 PM
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#106
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
… How did the target get somewhere that it's infeasible for light or matter to travel? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
And what do you mean, 'unfortunately'? Maybe it's fortunate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) You see biased. |
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Apr 25 2011, 06:38 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Apr 25 2011, 10:25 AM) … How did the target get somewhere that it's infeasible for light or matter to travel? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Theoretical situation, so we can set up the parameters to make this guy as inaccessible as possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 06:41 PM
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#108
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Just go to the metaplanes
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Apr 25 2011, 06:41 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Theoretically, it's impossible though. Maybe 'hypothetical'. Hehe.
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Apr 25 2011, 06:42 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
If he's theoretical, just leave him out of the situation. Mages can't catch you if you don't exist. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Apr 25 2011, 06:44 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I bet they can. They just need a symbolic link, or the right metaplanar quest.
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Apr 25 2011, 06:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
They have to get past the Dweller on the Fourth Wall.
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Apr 25 2011, 06:48 PM
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#113
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Dammit, this is flagrant game imbalance. Mages should not be able to beat things that don't even exist! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Apr 25 2011, 06:52 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
What about things that exist in RL? Now, that's OP.
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Apr 25 2011, 07:27 PM
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#115
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 25 2011, 12:23 PM) We also need dinosaurs..... and pirates! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif) Everything is better with Dinosaurs and Pirates... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 07:30 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,717 Joined: 23-March 09 From: Weymouth, UK Member No.: 17,007 |
This is why I want Scribblenauts.
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Apr 25 2011, 08:41 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 13-April 11 Member No.: 27,842 |
why not just throw a nihilist with a 50P -1/m suicide vest in the same area detect enemies does work against someone who has a hate on everyone/everything only when they are after you specifically (if I remember right)?
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Apr 25 2011, 08:49 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (jizo @ Apr 25 2011, 01:41 PM) why not just throw a nihilist with a 50P -1/m suicide vest in the same area detect enemies does work against someone who has a hate on everyone/everything only when they are after you specifically (if I remember right)? Because eventually, you will run out of Nihilist Suicide Bombers. There are only so many after all, and it is only plausible for so long... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 09:00 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,526 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
That's where Persona-Fix-Chips come into play.
Cap with Trode-Net, Personafix loaded into that. Bam, mass production suicide bombers! |
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Apr 25 2011, 09:32 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 13-April 11 Member No.: 27,842 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Apr 25 2011, 03:49 PM) Because eventually, you will run out of Nihilist Suicide Bombers. There are only so many after all, and it is only plausible for so long... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) how much less than 1% of the population (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) |
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Apr 25 2011, 10:10 PM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Apr 25 2011, 08:26 AM) Mages are as good as mundanes at everything? Tell me how do you use magic as effectively as mundane means to: - Control the Matrix? - Control Drones? - Take out Drones? - Socially interact with people? - Do several of the above without massive Karma expenditure? All PCs are powerful and all have their niche. I don't see any more problem witha mage than with other characters. 1. AR + Boos reflexes plus trodes 2. Ditto 3. Wreck drone 4. Boost Charisma or Mind Control 5. False argument mundanes also have to deal with massive karma expendatures to have more then one area of mastery. In fact magic is even better at this as witht he right spell choices you can leverage your magic expendatures into being good at other things. |
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Apr 25 2011, 10:12 PM
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#122
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Apr 25 2011, 03:10 PM) 1. AR + Boos reflexes plus trodes 2. Ditto 3. Wreck drone 4. Boost Charisma or Mind Control 5. False argument mundanes also have to deal with massive karma expendatures to have more then one area of mastery. In fact magic is even better at this as with the right spell choices you can leverage your magic expendatures into being good at other things. Which I believe is the issue at hand. |
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Apr 25 2011, 10:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Mage is too powerful? Drugs. Lots of drugs. Lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of really nasty drugs that really stress the system out.
Hey, look, burnt out mage! |
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Apr 25 2011, 11:46 PM
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#124
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Target Group: Members Posts: 20 Joined: 13-April 11 Member No.: 27,842 |
quick question that is somewhat on topic, if a person pays for radar cyberware, can they target spells with it?
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Apr 26 2011, 12:11 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
No. Nor ultrasound, in SR4.
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