[X] My Assistant

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

Want! Need! Got one I can borrow?

Hehe, yeah, I think all runners should be required to carry one of these, because there is apparently nothing it can't do.

[CanRay]

Hehe, yeah, I think all runners should be required to carry one of these, because there is apparently nothing it can't do.

My 1950s German Entrenching Tool is quite useful. I've used it as a shovel (Duh!), a spade, a pick, and a seat.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

I don't know that I'd want to use the Chinese shovel as a seat. It looked like it had alot of sharp edges. Actually I don't know that I'd want to carry it at all, as it seemed kinda dangerous (I'm surprised they didn't list weapon as one of its uses). I'd also never use it for tightening, as the demonstrator looks (and sounds) like he managed to cut himself on the sharp edge.

[CanRay]

My German Entrenching Tool can turn at a 90° angle with the spade head or the pick head. It also comes with a leather cover.

A friend of mine who had a similar model (Canadian, I think, rather than German) called it the "Safety", as he used it for home defense. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hobgoblin]

As someone pointed out to me once, sharpening the bayonet is illegal, sharpening the entrenching tool is just fine...

And on a lighter note, i think the entrenching tool is the close combat weapon of choice for the axis side in call of duty

[Stahlseele]

I think some of the not yet replaced manuals for new recruits of the german army still have the famous"spaten frei" somewhere in there . .

[Sengir]

Everybody knows what to do when it's "Klappspaten frei" time...and many instructors have shit their pants when playing surprise attackers and suddenly having a spade-wielding horde come charging towards them (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Grinder]

Uh, tales told by (ex-)conscripts. How interesting. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Sengir]

I'm a draft dodger, just had an instructor as roommate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Stahlseele]

i did civil services instead of the bundeswehr . .
but i know enough people who are or were in the armed forces that i could open up my own mercenary company <.<

[CanRay]

I'm one of the few civilians that are kind to Vets and listen to them in Canada. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Critias]

I'm one of the few civilians that are kind to Vets and listen to them in Canada. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Which is a real bummer, considering how much ass the Canadian military has kicked over the years. Your boys (and girls!) comin' home deserve a little respect, and it's sad if not many are giving it to 'em.

[CanRay]

Which is a real bummer, considering how much ass the Canadian military has kicked over the years. Your boys (and girls!) comin' home deserve a little respect, and it's sad if not many are giving it to 'em.

Always been the way.

I remember reading about one soldier's journey home from WWII. Leaves Germany, goes through Holland to big celebrations and being treated as if he were a king (The Netherlands are still a place any Canadian can get a warm welcome no matter what). Goes through Franch, huge celebrations, wine, women, the whole nine yards. Goes to England waiting for a ship to come back to The New World, it's all "Jolly good job well done, my boy!" and free beer and smiles all around.

Gets to Halifax Harbor... Nothing. The only people waiting when he finally got home were families.

EDIT: Let's get back on topic, can we please?

[Sengir]

i did civil services instead of the bundeswehr . .

I don't know if you are a civil servant (i.e. employee of the state), but you certainly did not do that in lieu of military service (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

PS: And I didn't actually dodge the draft until it had dodged me for some time (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
After school I was quite happy with the prospect to do something else than sitting in classes for some time, but didn't hear back from them. So plan B, go to university. In my second year they suddenly did remember me, but at that point I didn't want any longer, since that would have meant starting over from scratch after my service. Alas, one is safe from the draft from the third semester till graduation...

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

I don't know if you are a civil servant (i.e. employee of the state), but you certainly did not do that in lieu of military service (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Sure you can. They're called desk jobs and they're quite important. You can have all the troops you want, but it doesn't help much if the logistical team isn't sending you weapons or ammo or food. Most countries as far as I'm aware will accept work at a desk job in lieu of being a combatant (though you often have to be at the desk job for considerably longer than if you were a combatant)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Sure you can. They're called desk jobs and they're quite important. You can have all the troops you want, but it doesn't help much if the logistical team isn't sending you weapons or ammo or food. Most countries as far as I'm aware will accept work at a desk job in lieu of being a combatant (though you often have to be at the desk job for considerably longer than if you were a combatant)

BUT, that logistical Team is still in the Military. As is the Administrative team that makes sure everything is properly ordered. The Military Industrial Complex has a great many Desk Jobs. Does not mean that they aren't in the Military though.

[Makki]

i did civil services instead of the bundeswehr . .
but i know enough people who are or were in the armed forces that i could open up my own mercenary company <.<

I don't know if you are a civil servant (i.e. employee of the state), but you certainly did not do that in lieu of military service (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

it's called civilian national service or alternative national service afaik, and yes you could do it in lieu of military service. Why not?


btw, that's a thread about an adept book in SR4 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Sengir]

Sure you can. They're called desk jobs and they're quite important. You can have all the troops you want, but it doesn't help much if the logistical team isn't sending you weapons or ammo or food. Most countries as far as I'm aware will accept work at a desk job in lieu of being a combatant (though you often have to be at the desk job for considerably longer than if you were a combatant)

The point is that he (most likely) used a false friend. Instead of serving in any capacity in the army, German conscientious objectors do (well, for another 25 days until the draft is abolished suspended) "Zivildienst", which literally translates as "civil service" but is more like "paid community service" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

He used an improper term perhaps by saying civil service instead of military desk job, but the point is he did something that wasn't fighting in combat to avoid being in the military.

FYI a false friend is a word which is a word in two different languages, but has different meanings in the two languages. Fag would be an example of this between British and American English.

[Sengir]

He used an improper term perhaps by saying civil service instead of military desk job

Conscientious objectors (or anybody who sends in a text he found on google with minor changes) don't get military desk jobs, they do welfare stuff.

FYI a false friend is a word which is a word in two different languages, but has different meanings in the two languages.

While I doubt that there is an official definition, IMO false friends also include words which sound similar (due to having the same etymology) in two languages but have different meanings.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

While I doubt that there is an official definition, IMO false friends also include words which sound similar (due to having the same etymology) in two languages but have different meanings.

Which is basically what I said. Okay, I used are the same instead of sound the same, but it works out to the same thing. Doesn't change the fact that Zivildienst doesn't sound like any English word I'm familiar with.

Edit: P.S. He didn't say he was a concensious objector, or if he did, I missed it. And what is that random stuff about google?

[Grinder]

Back to topic, please. Nobody cares what Stahlseele did in his youth. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Stahlseele]

Heck, even i don't really care what i did . . oh shit, it's been 10 years back already? ._.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Heck, even i don't really care what i did . . oh shit, it's been 10 years back already? ._.

Time Flies...

As for Adepts... What do people thing of the new Adept Abilities in The Way of the Adept?
Too bad there were no more Metamagics.

[Makki]

As for Adepts... What do people thing of the new Adept Abilities in The Way of the Adept?

the creative ones are too expensive, the uncreative ones are just that. Not much thought put into it. Sry Criteas (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Copy Paste Improved Attribute and Kinesics isn't worth a new chapter. That doesn't mean, that my Adept doesn't like Unseen Hands very much!

I wonder why the Astral Adept didn't make it in the book. It was suggested in this forum many times. Either as variant of the mystic adept who has access to Projection, or a version of the SR3 Metamagic Limited Projection