 France dropping concrete bombs on Libya, Prototype Thor shots? |
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  Apr 29 2011, 05:41 PM
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panda!  Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242  |
http://defensetech.org/2011/04/29/france-u...bombs-in-libya/
Edit: Topic title corrected for spelling. - F4.0 This post has been edited by fistandantilus4.0: Apr 29 2011, 06:26 PM |
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Apr 29 2011, 05:59 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
They are effective for what they are being used for.
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Apr 29 2011, 06:03 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 |
The US had "inert bombs" for a while. Nothing says "Fuck You!" like 500 lbs of concrete going at 450 to 550 mph. There is footage of an Iraqi tank hiding under a bridge thinking he was safe... and then boom. Crushed his tank like a tin can.
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Apr 29 2011, 07:31 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Apr 29 2011, 12:03 PM)  ... Nothing says "Fuck You!" like 500 lbs of concrete going at 450 to 550 mph. ... Especially when using something as simple as a solid bomb like this. One way to look at it is "You're so unimportant we're using training ordinance on you." |
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Apr 29 2011, 08:08 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Apr 29 2011, 02:31 PM) One way to look at it is "You're so unimportant we're using training ordinance on you." Certainly beats the hell out of my buddy's tank crew that got pissed off when an IED went off under it. Of course, that could be seen as a "Battle Of The Hi-Ex". Tanks usually win those battles when all you have is a clay wall. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Although, I'm now having pictures in my head of "Laser Guided Smart Bombs" made of concrete whose targeting systems and aiming fins cost more than the rest of the unit does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) |
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Apr 29 2011, 08:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 29 2011, 10:08 PM) Although, I'm now having pictures in my head of "Laser Guided Smart Bombs" made of concrete whose targeting systems and aiming fins cost more than the rest of the unit does. That's the case, even when filled with explosives. A 500 lb. "dumb" bomb Mk 82 is around $300, a 2'000 lb. Mk 84 around $3'000. The JDAM tail kit costs around $20'000.There have been some comments in the media about guided munitions costing more than the vehicles they're used against. |
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Apr 29 2011, 09:03 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
When said vehicle is a 1970s-era Technical, the "Dumb" bomb costs more than it without the JDAM tail kit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Apr 29 2011, 10:23 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
I'm waiting for them to start dropping abstract bombs.
~J |
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Apr 29 2011, 10:55 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,026 Joined: 13-February 10 Member No.: 18,155 |
QUOTE (Nath @ Apr 29 2011, 01:32 PM) That's the case, even when filled with explosives. A 500 lb. "dumb" bomb Mk 82 is around $300, a 2'000 lb. Mk 84 around $3'000. The JDAM tail kit costs around $20'000. At that point, it's almost cheaper just to fire off dumb bombs in a spread pattern. Granted, it's kinda crappy for avoiding collateral damage, but it's probably pretty cost effective. |
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Apr 29 2011, 11:01 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
You'd think that, but where do you think the Bast... Sorry, "Insurgents" got their IED components from? Dud bombs that were dropped in a spread pattern by the Russians. And stuff left behind during retreat. And stuff they got on the black market that was sold as surplus. And...
Less weapons made are less weapons that go unused to bite us in the ass later when they walk out the back door, eh? They're *STILL* clearing shells, bombs, and mines from WWI in France! |
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Apr 30 2011, 01:36 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,026 Joined: 13-February 10 Member No.: 18,155 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 29 2011, 04:01 PM) You'd think that, but where do you think the Bast... Sorry, "Insurgents" got their IED components from? Dud bombs that were dropped in a spread pattern by the Russians. And stuff left behind during retreat. And stuff they got on the black market that was sold as surplus. And... Less weapons made are less weapons that go unused to bite us in the ass later when they walk out the back door, eh? They're *STILL* clearing shells, bombs, and mines from WWI in France! Sadly, I think the biggest lesson in Afganistan is one of the oldest and most commonly forgotten. Never get involved in a land war in Asia. I'm only half-joking. |
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Apr 30 2011, 02:13 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
A lot of big lessons need to be learned from both Afghan wars. From studying the Russian failures and the Charlie-Foxtrot we have today.
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Apr 30 2011, 03:21 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,973 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 13,526 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 29 2011, 10:13 PM) A lot of big lessons need to be learned from both Afghan wars. From studying the Russian failures and the Charlie-Foxtrot we have today. Plenty of people did learn from the Russians. Unfortunately, they were overruled by their commanding officers. |
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Apr 30 2011, 03:30 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Lesson one: It doesn't matter whose side they're on, if they're trying to kill you, they're the enemy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Apr 30 2011, 03:39 AM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,677 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 29 2011, 05:23 PM) I'm waiting for them to start dropping abstract bombs. ~J (IMG:style_emoticons/default/notworthy.gif) |
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Apr 30 2011, 03:40 AM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,677 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Apr 29 2011, 10:30 PM) Lesson one: It doesn't matter whose side they're on, if they're trying to kill you, they're the enemy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ... friendly fire? |
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Apr 30 2011, 03:58 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
"If they're firing at me, they're not friendly." was how one friend of mine put it to his CO once.
He also said, "If someone is shooting at me, the international incident has started. When I shoot back, I'll have ended it." He was kicked out of the Canadian Armed Forces around that time. It was a Peacekeeping mission, you see, and... |
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Apr 30 2011, 04:16 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Was his name Skippy?
-k |
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Apr 30 2011, 04:28 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
No. Canadian Armed Forces, not US. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
Although I did win major brownie points for having a rotating bit of Skippy's list as my Sig File at one workplace... My Supervisor was a former combat medic. |
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May 1 2011, 02:31 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
QUOTE (Kagetenshi @ Apr 29 2011, 03:23 PM) I'm waiting for them to start dropping abstract bombs. ~J ...I'd think the French would be rather good at that. ...or at the very least, impressionistic bombs. |
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May 1 2011, 09:00 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,756 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ May 1 2011, 04:31 AM) ...I'd think the French would be rather good at that. Fun fact: impressionist painters drew the first camouflage patterns during WW1 and the following years. So you had impressionist tanks, tents, garments... It was never applied on bombs, though.
...or at the very least, impressionistic bombs. |
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May 1 2011, 09:04 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (KCKitsune @ Apr 29 2011, 08:03 PM) Nothing says "Fuck You!" like 500 lbs of concrete going at 450 to 550 mph. Well an anvil or piano would be good as well, too bad those aren't shaped aerodynamically. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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May 1 2011, 02:43 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 1 2011, 04:04 AM) Well an anvil or piano would be good as well, too bad those aren't shaped aerodynamically. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) When filming "The Blues Brothers", the filmmakers had to get a "Air UN-worthyness certificate" from the Federal Aviation Administration to prove how UN-aerodynamic a Pinto really was. So, while in Lybia, the forces there could be using Pintos filled with Illinois Nazis to drop on tanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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May 2 2011, 02:04 AM
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Bushido Cowgirl Group: Members Posts: 5,782 Joined: 8-July 05 From: On the Double K Ranch a half day's ride out of Phlogiston Flats Member No.: 7,490 |
..if they dropped Pinto Runabouts with full gas tanks they'd be firebobming Tripoli.
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May 2 2011, 02:33 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Kyoto Kid @ May 1 2011, 09:04 PM) ..if they dropped Pinto Runabouts with full gas tanks they'd be firebobming Tripoli. Depending on where they're dropping them, that might be a good thing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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