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 May 2 2011, 07:54 PM
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Running Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230  |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 2 2011, 12:39 PM)  For starters, I can't think of a good reason to give this thing any vehicle upgrades. Aren't weapon mounts vehicle upgrades? |
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May 3 2011, 02:58 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yes. Like I said, no good reason. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
No, open beds and open windows still count as normal vehicle cover and armor, unless the GM says otherwise. It's an abstract combat system: assume a spherical cow. |
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May 3 2011, 03:14 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
Isn't the ability to mount vehicle weapons on your character and use them indoors a good enough reason?
Even better. Mount two powerful SS mode guns on the Iron Will. Each one is a simple action to fire, so you get the same effect as a SA mode weapon. |
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May 3 2011, 03:19 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It is the worst possible reason, right after wearing (upgraded) vehicle armor. Both of which make cheaply boosting Strength seem trivial. I can tell you're using a different definition of 'good' than I am. Oh well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 3 2011, 04:41 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
The Iron Will is pretty much for making Iron Man. Or at least the giant knockoff Iron Man at the end of the first movie.
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May 3 2011, 05:44 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 2 2011, 08:19 PM) It is the worst possible reason, right after wearing (upgraded) vehicle armor. Both of which make cheaply boosting Strength seem trivial. I can tell you're using a different definition of 'good' than I am. Oh well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Apparently. What is your definition of "good" in this case? |
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May 3 2011, 12:54 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,300 Joined: 6-February 08 From: Cologne, Germany Member No.: 15,648 |
QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 3 2011, 03:14 AM) Isn't the ability to mount vehicle weapons on your character and use them indoors a good enough reason? Even better. Mount two powerful SS mode guns on the Iron Will. Each one is a simple action to fire, so you get the same effect as a SA mode weapon. You are mounting these weapons on a drone. Which negates ALL recoil penalties. Don't bother with SS, go FA. The good SS or SA weapons require a turret that's too large for the Iron Will anyway. |
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May 3 2011, 04:49 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Technically, with a Body of 6, the Iron Will could mount a single Reinforced Turret, which allows any weapon to be installed.
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May 3 2011, 05:48 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 3 2011, 09:49 AM) Technically, with a Body of 6, the Iron Will could mount a single Reinforced Turret, which allows any weapon to be installed. -k Full-autop modded Panther Assault Cannon. |
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May 3 2011, 05:53 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
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May 3 2011, 06:17 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ May 3 2011, 07:48 PM) Full-autop modded Panther Assault Cannon. Unfortunately you are still limited to either 2*15 (additional clip) or 19 (extended clip) shots. A beltfed heavy minigun sounds a lot more appealing, whether that weapon is available however is up to the GM.
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May 3 2011, 06:35 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
And these are all great reasons why it can't be possible. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 3 2011, 07:39 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
And equally great reasons to get those upgrades.
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May 3 2011, 07:46 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,300 Joined: 6-February 08 From: Cologne, Germany Member No.: 15,648 |
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 3 2011, 05:49 PM) Technically, with a Body of 6, the Iron Will could mount a single Reinforced Turret, which allows any weapon to be installed. WTF, i thought we where talking about an exoskeleton, not a light battlemech? It actually has BOD 6? That is a light truck, not a medium-sized drone. |
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May 3 2011, 07:48 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Rasumichin @ May 3 2011, 12:46 PM) WTF, i thought we where talking about an exoskeleton, not a light battlemech? It actually has BOD 6? That is a light truck, not a medium-sized drone. It is the Loader from "Aliens." |
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May 3 2011, 07:53 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Which is much smaller than a truck. Stupid inconsistent vehicle rules. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
If it's the Loader, you should have to use Pilot Exotic. And it maneuvers like a zombie pig. |
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May 3 2011, 08:23 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Rasumichin @ May 3 2011, 12:46 PM) WTF, i thought we where talking about an exoskeleton, not a light battlemech? It actually has BOD 6? That is a light truck, not a medium-sized drone. For a troll, it's a straight up skeleton. I don't think a troll could fit into an Iron Will unmodified for oddly shaped metahumans. |
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May 3 2011, 08:53 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,300 Joined: 6-February 08 From: Cologne, Germany Member No.: 15,648 |
Ok, i took a glance at Arsenal again and there already are medium drones with a Body >3, namely the Akiyama and the Otomo. The Tomino (a heavy drone) even has a Body of 10.
A Body of 6 is also appropriate for a PMV with cargo module, light trucks are a bit heavier than that. I was kinda confused by the statement that a reinforced mount can hold any kind of weapon. They actually can't, you're still restricted from using main guns. That would require a heavy turret, and a Body of at least 14. |
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May 3 2011, 08:58 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 3 2011, 01:53 PM) Which is much smaller than a truck. Stupid inconsistent vehicle rules. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If it's the Loader, you should have to use Pilot Exotic. And it maneuvers like a zombie pig. Probably True, but that is how I see it personally (without having the book, of course). Might change my mindonce I have the actual stats in front of me, along with the fluff text. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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May 3 2011, 09:00 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Those are actual combat (and/or assassination) robots, though, custom-made for cyborg brainjars. You'd expect an anthroform to be much tougher (and heavier) than a skeleton. The Tomino *is* a small battlemech.
But, your examples do illustrate the point that the vehicle stats are inconsistent and crazy. Body is a weird combination of size and toughness. |
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May 3 2011, 09:23 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 |
to further illustrate - a suzuki mirage has a body of 6. A Steel Lynx is body 4. The lynx, per artwork at least, is quite larger than a sport bike.
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May 3 2011, 09:28 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
@longbowrocks
QUOTE Apparently. What is your definition of "good" in this case? Good, are things you may suggest at your table without waking up in the hospital and having a bunch of surgents discussion how to get the Core Book out of your ass and how it got there in the first place. @Rasumichin QUOTE Ok, i took a glance at Arsenal again and there already are medium drones with a Body >3, namely the Akiyama and the Otomo. The Tomino (a heavy drone) even has a Body of 10 Yeah, I hate those two. I have no idea how they got those numbers. Every drone of this size has a body of 4 or less. This drone is quite fragil and hard to modify, so lets give it a body of 6... |
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May 3 2011, 09:35 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Body =/= Size in my books, but by RAW... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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May 3 2011, 09:40 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
It's even worse the way Body is the determiner of weapon and other upgrades; these are each tenuously linked to both size (or maybe mass?) and toughness. No part of it makes sense. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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May 3 2011, 09:47 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
QUOTE It's even worse the way Body is the determiner of weapon and other upgrades; these are each tenuously linked to both size (or maybe mass?) and toughness. No part of it makes sense. Yeah, and the simplicity of the construction. It is easy to get to work at an old Ford(meaning you are able to change a lot), but try this with one of the new cars. |
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