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[Draco18s]

Benefit is 1 luck. 0:1 == 1:infinity. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

or rather 1/0 == infinity == infinity/1. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/read.gif)

0/0 is also infinity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

So 0:1 and 1:infinity are not the same.

(You are right, however, I forgot about the Edge Bonus. I'm at work and jumping between tasks)

[longbowrocks]

Purely situational. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
In this case, you're gaining a benefit for no cost. Essentially, you have an infinite gain per cost since for any portion of your 0 price tag, you still get a benfit of 1. This is in contrast to pure mathematics in which division by zero frequently eliminates any useful properties of your expression, or computerized mathemics in which there is no way to represent all real numbers due to restrictions on hardware capacity.

[Epicedion]

0/0 is also infinity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

No, it's undefined.

[longbowrocks]

So 0:1 and 1:infinity are not the same.

That's why division by zero is frequently illegal in realms where your answer is significant. Since infinity is a concept, you wind up with things like a "bigger infinity" when you divide 4 by 0 instead of 1 by 0. This is where limits become useful.

[Epicedion]

Ahem.

Division, which is what you're doing, is only defined for a/b, where b is nonzero. You don't end up with anything infinity. You end up with "undefined."

Limits are a different beast altogether, good for determining convergence or divergence. Beyond that they're more complicated.

[Draco18s]

That's why division by zero is frequently illegal in realms where your answer is significant. Since infinity is a concept, you wind up with things like a "bigger infinity" when you divide 4 by 0 instead of 1 by 0. This is where limits become useful.

There are different infinities you know.

How many Integers are there?

"Infinity" good, good.

How many Real Numbers are there?

"Infinity" good, good.

Except that there are infinitely more Real Numbers than Integers, as between any and every two Integers there exists an infinite number of Reals.

Isn't math awesome?

[Irion]

May we get our heads around, that this sort of calculation is useless anyway?
It would be lesser if you add 2 bonus points of edge and increase the costs by 30BP.
But everyone would argee that what you end up is better than a normal human?

[CanRay]

0/0 is also infinity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif)

No, that's where $Deity is making black holes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

As for the Original Post question: Yes, the additional cost is how easy you are to pick out of a crowd.

On the bright side, an unstated cost is that you are slightly fluffy and fun to cuddle. Always handy when trying to get a date!

[Draco18s]

As for the Original Post question: Yes, the additional cost is how easy you are to pick out of a crowd.

Actually, that's Distinctive Style that's free and a negative quality.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

No, that's where $Deity is making black holes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

As for the Original Post question: Yes, the additional cost is how easy you are to pick out of a crowd.

On the bright side, an unstated cost is that you are slightly fluffy and fun to cuddle. Always handy when trying to get a date!

Specially if they are into the furry fetish.

PS: Draco, Aleph numbers are the most funny and insidious thing you learn in Discrete Mathematics. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Draco18s]

PS: Draco, Aleph numbers are the most funny and insidious thing you learn in Discrete Mathematics. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I actually didn't learn about them in Discrete Math. I picked them up somewhere else....

[Mantis]

How did my post turn into a discussion on math?

Anyway, I didn't include Distinctive Style in my original post because all the race options in Runner's Companion get it. It's why I didn't see the need for CG to include low-light or thermographic vision in every one of the variant descriptions. Yet they did. So including that, yeah, Night Ones hold the crown for the least benefit for the most cost. I actually preferred 3rd ed. solution for playing a variant where every NPC started at Hostile and you had to work your way up through social interaction. More accurately shows the racism than distinctive style does.

I've thought of redoing all the variants to make them balanced but then I realized none of the players in my game are playing them. The worst power gamer offenders are gone and unless another rears its head, I won't have to deal with issue again.

Thanks for the feedback and clarification. Except the math. The math didn't help. Don't do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[longbowrocks]

There are different infinities you know.

I didn't know about Aleph numbers, but I did point out in the post you quoted that there are indeed different values of infinity.

*edit* ah, sorry about derailing the thread Mantis.

[CanRay]

How did my post turn into a discussion on math?

Welcome to Dumpshock!

I feel they're fairly balanced, anyone can turn it into a numbers game, however. Now, the Non-Metahuman Sentients... They're a little skewed.

Double my usual bribe to ever allow a Pixie Mage again. Triple for a Pixie Adept!

[Draco18s]

Double my usual bribe to ever allow a Pixie Mage again. Triple for a Pixie Adept!

Did she have a strength of 1 and 6 ranks of Killing Blow/Critical Strike?

[CanRay]

Did she have a strength of 1 and 6 ranks of Killing Blow/Critical Strike?

No. He was a Mystical Adept, actually, and had Improved Reflexes 2 and something else (Mystic Armor, I think.).

Three IPs to throw fireballs every round. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

[KarmaInferno]

You have to remember to divide by fnord.





-k

[Fortinbras]

Night Ones hold the crown for the least benefit for the most cost.

It's an "I want to play a drow." tax.

[CanRay]

It's an "I want to play a drow." tax.

There are colours other than black... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Welcome to Dumpshock!

I feel they're fairly balanced, anyone can turn it into a numbers game, however. Now, the Non-Metahuman Sentients... They're a little skewed.

Double my usual bribe to ever allow a Pixie Mage again. Triple for a Pixie Adept!

As CanRay said, welcome to Dumpshock, if a thread isn't derailed at least once, then it wasn't a good thread to begin with (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Now, I do agree on the cost of Non-Meta sentients. The only shapeshifter that I think it's cost was ok was the Wolf Shapeshifter, with all the others shifters needing to increase the cost by 20-30 points to balance...
Now, if Way of the Adept had been released last year...
My Jaguar shifter would be even more awesome with 22 dice of ranged dodge in full defense.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I actually didn't learn about them in Discrete Math. I picked them up somewhere else....

I hate Discrete Math. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Dez384]

The cost of playing a metavariant or SURGE character is GM dependent. If the GM doesn't care about metatypes or metavarients, then nothing is stopping you from powergaming with them. If all the NPCs are racist and don't think that Fomori are Troll enough, then Fomori have a greater cost than just the BP cost.

[CanRay]

My Jaguar shifter would be even more awesome with 22 dice of ranged dodge in full defense.

But what would he have if he were driving a Jaguar? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Headshot_Joe]

But what would he have if he were driving a Jaguar? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

A British accent and higher insurance rate...

[CanRay]

Shadowrunners can get vehicle insurance? News to me.

Of course, with my luck and vehicles, and what's happened to my group and their vehicles... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

"I tell my bike to drive Home." "OK. ... Where did you set Home as on your bike." "I didn't, if someone were to hack the bike they'd find my... Crap." "OK, it goes to the default Home of the factory where it was built." "That's not so bad." *Rolls Dice, Critical Glitch, Shows Group The Roll* "In Japan." "DAMNIT!"

EDIT: Also, "OK, you come from South America, where the frag did you get a posh British Accent when speaking English?" "'Trid movies, my dear boy."