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Advocatus Diaboli  Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282  |
That's true, and rightly so. However, there are those couple places where the loopholes form. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That, and rounding down means fewer/smaller guns on Body 4-5 drones/vehicles—a Good Thing™.
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May 9 2011, 02:23 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
I always looked on it as "round down if you're JUST using the SR4A. Round up if you're using Arsenal."
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May 9 2011, 04:53 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
damn it, there was a bugger hiding out in War of all places!
Nice and cheap, but the availability was downright insane tho (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Bah, just noticed it is body 2. So it is a small drone, not a mini. |
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May 9 2011, 06:06 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Yeah, the Arachne drone.
Which is less of a drone and more of a set of crawler legs you attach to the gun. The book text even comment that the gun is often larger than the drone. In theory, you should be able to use the firearm normally, with the drone legs folded out of the way, and drop it to operate as a instant turret if needed. As for the availability, a good Face should be able to score them in less than two weeks. Then again, a good negotiator under SR4 rules can often get anything regardless of Availability, since it so easy to boost that Negotiate roll and it's an extended test. It's just a matter of time. -k |
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May 9 2011, 07:23 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Kinda makes you wonder why they bothered. We already have the smart firing platform.
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May 9 2011, 07:28 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
*nods*
i knew we forgot something. |
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May 9 2011, 07:34 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 9 2011, 09:23 PM)  Kinda makes you wonder why they bothered. We already have the smart firing platform. Well the Aracne can walk. Not that it makes any more sense, as it seems to be a Aztech Crawler with a turret and the pricetag and availability switched around (much lower price then a modded Crawler, but much harder to get). Still, i find myself wondering how hard it would be to get in and out of a messenger bag or similar. The idea came from this: http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/Military-Dog...b_ts/1304626850 |
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May 9 2011, 07:38 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
You'd think they'd err on the side of more expensive, sigh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I like the idea of a walking smart firing platform; my point was simply, 'why didn't they make it an upgraded version of the smart firing platform?'
It *is* weird that they appear to rely on Avail to keep runners from getting things, despite the total insanity of that. That's literally what price is for, and *it* actually works. |
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May 9 2011, 09:12 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 9 2011, 01:38 PM) You'd think they'd err on the side of more expensive, sigh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I like the idea of a walking smart firing platform; my point was simply, 'why didn't they make it an upgraded version of the smart firing platform?' It *is* weird that they appear to rely on Avail to keep runners from getting things, despite the total insanity of that. That's literally what price is for, and *it* actually works. Price never works. Eventually, the character will have enough Nuyen to buy whatever they want. May take a while, but there you go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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May 9 2011, 09:27 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 9 2011, 10:38 PM) It *is* weird that they appear to rely on Avail to keep runners from getting things, despite the total insanity of that. The availability 20+ is quite obviously for "you can't get this at chargen". Pretty much all of the avails seem to be mostly about whether or not you can get them at chargen(and whether or not you need Restricted Gear for that) and only little about making it take longer to get something in game. |
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May 9 2011, 09:40 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 9 2011, 11:12 PM) Price never works. Eventually, the character will have enough Nuyen to buy whatever they want. May take a while, but there you go. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) I'd love to see someone buy that Aesir satellite from War! and load it up with a Thor shot. |
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May 9 2011, 09:43 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Well, you need to get into arms dealing on a bigger scale, then you can do it.
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May 10 2011, 12:40 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 |
And right about 1.4 billion nuyen.
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May 10 2011, 02:09 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Mardrax @ May 9 2011, 02:40 PM) I'd love to see someone buy that Aesir satellite from War! and load it up with a Thor shot. Why buy it when you can attempt to hack it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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May 10 2011, 02:26 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I don't see how 'eventually' is a problem. It's 'now' that's the issue (because any Avail can be achieved in a short time, vastly shorter than getting cash).
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May 10 2011, 02:27 AM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ May 9 2011, 08:26 PM) I don't see how 'eventually' is a problem. It's 'now' that's the issue (because any Avail can be achieved in a short time, vastly shorter than getting cash). Well, this is often true, to be sure... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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May 10 2011, 02:34 AM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
Yeah, you can pretty much create a character that straight from chargen can hit nearly any Availability test in the game.
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