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post May 6 2011, 10:41 AM
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As the topic says, I am a bit confused here...

Are Catalyst Game Labs releasing two different kind of Shadowrun producs; The Anniversary edition books and the 4th edition ones?
I really like the Anniversary books and hope they will release more of them.

Can someone bring light to this matter? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post May 6 2011, 11:20 AM
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They're updating the SR4 books to reflect the SR4a changes, but they're not writing books based on pre-change rules..
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post May 6 2011, 11:52 AM
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The Anniversary Ed is an upgraded version of the original 4th Ed rules, not a separate "branch" like AD&D vs D&D.

And AFAIK Anniversary versions of the other core books were considered but ultimately the idea was dropped...probably because we are quite late in the current edition's life cycle. Also, Anniversary Editions would amount to errata, and CGL doesn't do errata (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post May 6 2011, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 07:52 AM) *
Also, Anniversary Editions would amount to errata, and CGL doesn't do errata (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Then what do I see here?
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post May 6 2011, 03:09 PM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ May 6 2011, 06:52 AM) *
The Anniversary Ed is an upgraded version of the original 4th Ed rules, not a separate "branch" like AD&D vs D&D.

And AFAIK Anniversary versions of the other core books were considered but ultimately the idea was dropped...probably because we are quite late in the current edition's life cycle. Also, Anniversary Editions would amount to errata, and CGL doesn't do errata (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


I do not like the sound of that.
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post May 6 2011, 03:42 PM
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I wouldn't say it is long in the tooth yet---as changing the system to an SR5 at this point would be counter productive. I think we have at least a couple of years before that happens. But only Jason and the Catalyst crew would have real info on that. We're all just speculating here.
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post May 6 2011, 03:57 PM
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QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ May 6 2011, 10:42 AM) *
I wouldn't say it is long in the tooth yet---as changing the system to an SR5 at this point would be counter productive. I think we have at least a couple of years before that happens. But only Jason and the Catalyst crew would have real info on that. We're all just speculating here.

So, who is going to GenCon with duct tape? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post May 6 2011, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ May 6 2011, 10:57 AM) *
So, who is going to GenCon with duct tape? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


*raises hand*

Me!

Oh, wait. I might not be the volunteer you were looking for.

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post May 6 2011, 04:29 PM
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QUOTE (JM Hardy @ May 6 2011, 10:18 AM) *
*raises hand*

Me!

Oh, wait. I might not be the volunteer you were looking for.

Jason h.


But, Can you answer the Question? I too think that a New edition is a ways off (Here's to hoping anyways), but it is a topic of concern. Do you have Any news on that front? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 6 2011, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 6 2011, 01:29 PM) *
But, Can you answer the Question? I too think that a New edition is a ways off (Here's to hoping anyways), but it is a topic of concern. Do you have Any news on that front? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


Any answer will come in the likes of a Jedi hand waving...

This is not the developer you are looking for or something.
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post May 6 2011, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ May 6 2011, 02:08 PM) *
Any answer will come in the likes of a Jedi hand waving...

This is not the developer you are looking for or something.


Heh... yeah, I know... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post May 6 2011, 10:51 PM
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Maybe Bull can stage a Shadowrun Missions LARP where they need to get a Game Studio Worker, and force the info from him?

Hey, if there's karma and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) involved for Missions characters, a lot of folks might be interested. Be also good publicity as an actual Shadowrun goes down at the CGL booth itself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post May 6 2011, 11:14 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ May 6 2011, 04:51 PM) *
Maybe Bull can stage a Shadowrun Missions LARP where they need to get a Game Studio Worker, and force the info from him?

Hey, if there's karma and (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) involved for Missions characters, a lot of folks might be interested. Be also good publicity as an actual Shadowrun goes down at the CGL booth itself. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


That is just awesome, Heh... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 7 2011, 04:35 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 6 2011, 11:29 AM) *
But, Can you answer the Question? I too think that a New edition is a ways off (Here's to hoping anyways), but it is a topic of concern. Do you have Any news on that front? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


There will be a 5th edition at some point, but I have nothing more specific than that, except to say there will not be a 5th edition at GenCon 2011.

Jason H.
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post May 7 2011, 11:18 AM
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QUOTE (Warlordtheft @ May 6 2011, 03:42 PM) *
I wouldn't say it is long in the tooth yet---as changing the system to an SR5 at this point would be counter productive. I think we have at least a couple of years before that happens.

4th Ed will be six years old this fall, and it's rare that an edition of an actively developed RPG sees its tenth birthday...so I expect a 5th Ed in one or two years, simply based on "it's always been like that" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


@Dez384: Have you looked at the release dates of the errata docs? The official release date for the Augmentation errata is "maybe Christmas" since a couple of years...
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post May 7 2011, 07:07 PM
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I was just remarking that there was errata, but it is nice to know that the game doesn't have to be "fixed" on a monthly basis.
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post May 7 2011, 08:24 PM
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Shadowrun 4th Edition (SR4) & Shadowrun 4th edition/20th Anniversary Edition (SR4a) = the main rules. If you already picked up SR4 before the Anniversary Edition, there's an errata you can download & print that will bring you up to speed (if you don't want to buy the Anniversary Edition book).
If you did pick up SR4a, then you're fine. If you have the books that were already printed after SR4 but before SR4a, there are individual errata for each of those books available on shadowrun4.com. Later printing of said books were adjusted/corrected before being re-printed, brinig them up to SR4a speed.

But I feel picking up SR4a, even if you already have the previous edition, is well worth it. And I'm NOT one to buy a re-issue of a book, just for some little additonal bit they put in the latest printing. Never Again.

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post May 7 2011, 09:27 PM
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QUOTE (BookWyrm @ May 7 2011, 11:24 PM) *
If you already picked up SR4 before the Anniversary Edition, there's an errata you can download & print that will bring you up to speed (if you don't want to buy the Anniversary Edition book).
If you did pick up SR4a, then you're fine.

Actually there really isn't, there is the changes document, but it doesn't list all of the changes and some of the changes in it are wrong.
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post May 7 2011, 09:43 PM
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Plus SR4a itself has problems that need errata too.



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post May 7 2011, 11:32 PM
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QUOTE (Dez384 @ May 6 2011, 07:02 PM) *
Then what do I see here?

Dunno, really, just look how old those are; look at the number of glaring errors, inconsistencies and weird rulings in the books both new and old not covered by those. Look at the incomprehensible horror that is the "official FAQ".
Dumpshock has regular discussions of rule failures, and most of those could be fixed with an errata - but no real movements on that front, mphm.
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post May 8 2011, 06:36 PM
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QUOTE (Dez384 @ May 7 2011, 08:07 PM) *
I was just remarking that there was errata, but it is nice to know that the game doesn't have to be "fixed" on a monthly basis.

No remedy being present does not equate the absence of problems...
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post May 10 2011, 05:57 AM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ May 7 2011, 04:18 AM) *
4th Ed will be six years old this fall, and it's rare that an edition of an actively developed RPG sees its tenth birthday...so I expect a 5th Ed in one or two years, simply based on "it's always been like that" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


@Dez384: Have you looked at the release dates of the errata docs? The official release date for the Augmentation errata is "maybe Christmas" since a couple of years...


Well... The Rigger Black Book hasn't come out yet so we should be OK for a while yet.
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post May 10 2011, 09:16 AM
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You got a point there...although who knows what the new SR Optionals line may bring
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post May 10 2011, 06:12 PM
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You mean other than Options? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post May 11 2011, 01:29 AM
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So I just found out that the pdf of SR4A is different from the physical printing.

I think I'm done buying SR stuff until some work on errata is put forth by CGL.
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