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[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So I just found out that the pdf of SR4A is different from the physical printing.

I think I'm done buying SR stuff until some work on errata is put forth by CGL.

The PDF that I have is Identical to the Hard Copy Book that I have... ALL 3 COPIES OF IT IN FACT.

[KarmaInferno]

Depends on which physical printing.

Also, German SR4A has errata incorporated, from what Ze Germans say.



-k

[Tyro]

So I just found out that the pdf of SR4A is different from the physical printing.

I think I'm done buying SR stuff until some work on errata is put forth by CGL.

That seems to be a common sentiment. I know I decided that a while ago, with the exception of mini-releases like the recent Adept pdf.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

So I just found out that the pdf of SR4A is different from the physical printing.

I think I'm done buying SR stuff until some work on errata is put forth by CGL.

Soooo, you are waiting for a fifth edition? Ok!

[Sengir]

Also, German SR4A has errata incorporated, from what Ze Germans say.

Really? Not saying you're wrong, but the only change I am aware of is that Pegasus forgot the table for cyberguns (and immediately delivered errata).

[Tyro]

Really? Not saying you're wrong, but the only change I am aware of is that Pegasus forgot the table for cyberguns (and immediately delivered errata).

Yeah, Pegasus > CGL by a long shot :-/

[Muspellsheimr]

I was just remarking that there was errata, but it is nice to know that the game doesn't have to be "fixed" on a monthly basis.

You don't get it. The Augmentation errata was done and incorporated into the latest printing of the books years ago. It was set to be released for download years ago.

Now days, they usually just ignore anyone bringing this up. Not to mention a decent chunk of current problems that should have errata but probably never will.

Oh yea, and the latest printing of Street Magic does not have any errata, errata that is available for download and included in the second printing. The majority of these problems started with Catalyst's recent financial 'difficulties', and the resulting loss of multiple strong employees.

So I just found out that the pdf of SR4A is different from the physical printing.

I think I'm done buying SR stuff until some work on errata is put forth by CGL.

The SR4A pdf was released before the book was sent to printers. There where a number of problems with it. Some got fixed, some didn't. The changes where incorporated into the hard cover printing, and an updated copy of the pdf was made available to anyone who purchased it. If your pdf & book doesn't match, your pdf is out of date.

Regardless, given Catalyst's recent releases, I still think you should just not buy SR products anymore. I have not purchased anything past Running Wild, and I would not suggest anything past that point, except maybe Seattle 2072, to anyone (granted, I haven't read everything sense then, but I have read enough plus reviews on Dumpshock to make me confidant of this).

Depends on which physical printing.

There is only one physical printing of SR4A that I am aware of; if any later printings exist, they do not have any changes. See above.

[Fatum]

Regardless, given Catalyst's recent releases, I still think you should just not buy SR products anymore. I have not purchased anything past Running Wild, and I would not suggest anything past that point, except maybe Seattle 2072, to anyone (granted, I haven't read everything sense then, but I have read enough plus reviews on Dumpshock to make me confidant of this).

Well, Vice and Attitude had their bright points.

[Tyro]

I like the way of the adept pdf, but there shouldn't be a limit on number of powers the discount applies to. You shouldn't be punished for being well-rounded, and as written the way of the warrior is stupidly good compared to the others.

[Saint Sithney]

Plus SR4a itself has problems that need errata too.



-k

Pfff. Just buy the latest printing if you want errata.
Unless it's Street Magic. Then buy the second-to-most-recent printing, since the most recent removed all the errata changes.

I often think I need to improve meine Deutch.

[Mäx]

Well, Vice and Attitude had their bright points.

As did the Corporate Guide and all of the PDF only releases.

[Sengir]

I often think I need to improve meine Deutch.

If you need further incentives, the German version of W! is out...Recharge can only charge devices which fit into one's hand, Slow and the "Holocaust victim's ain't dead enough yet" run got axed...now Pegasus just needs to come forward with PDFs.

[Critias]

I like the way of the adept pdf, but there shouldn't be a limit on number of powers the discount applies to. You shouldn't be punished for being well-rounded...

For what it's worth, I happen to agree with you. Playtesters and higher-ups disagreed, so I put in what discount I could. They're all optional, anyways -- just talk to your GM, present your argument, and see if she/he will let you apply the discount to more stuff.

...and as written the way of the warrior is stupidly good compared to the others.

They get a bigger discount because their powers cost more. Because their powers cost more, IMHO, they needed the bigger discount. Guys that are getting +1 die to their main schtick for .25 don't need to be cut a break as badly as the guys that are getting +1 die to their main schtick for .5, the way I see it. *shrugs* You're free to disagree (no one's going to come to your house and steal your stuff because you're playing "the wrong way" or anything), and if your GM sides with you, play it however you want to play it.

[Sengir]

You don't get it. The Augmentation errata was done and incorporated into the latest printing of the books years ago. It was set to be released for download years ago.

Don't worry, after J Hardy finally admitted that all previously printed errata was handled like CGL's money (it's gone but they're trying to find it), he announced that he's working on new errata with a release date of "maybe next month"...as of September 2010.

[CanRay]

Maybe he needs to punch people in the neck like he does with the novels. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Tyro]

For what it's worth, I happen to agree with you. Playtesters and higher-ups disagreed, so I put in what discount I could. They're all optional, anyways -- just talk to your GM, present your argument, and see if she/he will let you apply the discount to more stuff.


They get a bigger discount because their powers cost more. Because their powers cost more, IMHO, they needed the bigger discount. Guys that are getting +1 die to their main schtick for .25 don't need to be cut a break as badly as the guys that are getting +1 die to their main schtick for .5, the way I see it. *shrugs* You're free to disagree (no one's going to come to your house and steal your stuff because you're playing "the wrong way" or anything), and if your GM sides with you, play it however you want to play it.

Disclaimer: I understand what you're saying; I just want to make the reasons behind my stance clear to others.

My issue is that if you want a whole bunch of smaller powers, even if they're all on the list for your archtype, mechanically it could be significantly better to choose way of the warrior even if you aren't combat focused and just want a little improved reflexes and combat sense to keep you alive when things hit the fan. Removing the limitation on number of discounted powers eliminates this issue without significantly raising power levels.