My Assistant
Site Message
(Message will auto close in 2 seconds)
  |
 Best Assault Rifle and Accessory / Mod Combo, They're all so nice and shiny! |
 May 24 2011, 02:48 AM
Post
#176
|
|
|
Immortal Elf  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465  |
QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 23 2011, 03:59 PM)  Well, some people have talked about militarizing the Drones I wrote up. |
 |
 
|
|
May 24 2011, 03:10 AM
Post
#177
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 23 2011, 01:12 PM) When you start rigging your own body it gets even better. I've frequently heard about using MBW for this. Is there an optional rule about that somewhere? Because I didn't see it in the gear description. |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 03:18 AM
Post
#178
|
|
|
Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
No, there's not. At best, it's a GM-ruled (that is, house rules) extension of the biodrone/cyberware hacking rules.
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 03:35 AM
Post
#179
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 |
So then rigging yourself... You need to make a cluster out of your cyberware, and even then it's not actually supported?
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 04:18 AM
Post
#180
|
|
|
Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
There are a couple different combinations. The simplest is a human version of the full-VR biodrone harness. It's rare, expensive (and invasive) tech, and this is 'the book doesn't actually say it doesn't work on humans' territory. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) But at least there are rules for it, sort of.
Another contender is full-cyber body, and control it with the (super-vague) cyberware hacking 'rules'. Honestly, I'm not convinced you could even walk under this method, let alone 'rig' yourself. Still, it's not against the rules to move individual limbs via Issue Command, so it's at least trivially possible. The weakest idea is the one you mentioned: that somehow having MBW lets your control the whole body. It's based on not the wired reflexes aspect, but the skillwires aspect. The idea is skillsofts can do anything, so therefore hacking skillwires must let you control everything. … Quickly, conveniently, and accurately. *shrug* This is pure house rule, IMO. |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 07:30 AM
Post
#181
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Actually I meant the simple (but unattainable) way of the jarhead.
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 08:21 AM
Post
#182
|
|
|
Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2011, 02:30 AM) Actually I meant the simple (but unattainable) way of the jarhead. Isn't that the Ultimate Way Of The Burnout? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 09:01 AM
Post
#183
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,026 Joined: 13-February 10 Member No.: 18,155 |
QUOTE (sabs @ May 23 2011, 11:33 AM) I love Ingram X, because they get all these cool add ons, while still having 6 modification slots. If you want to stack the goodies, the Ingram X, and the White Knight are both lovely pieces of hardware. I want a white knight constructed as a gatling gun. |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 01:00 PM
Post
#184
|
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Faraday @ May 24 2011, 02:01 AM) I want a white knight constructed as a gatling gun. It's called the GE Vindicator Minigun... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 01:11 PM
Post
#185
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 03:00 PM) It's called the GE Vindicator Minigun... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) No it's not. He want's to get the GasVent 5 from the White Knight on a Minigun and still be able to mod it.
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 01:13 PM
Post
#186
|
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2011, 06:11 AM) No it's not. He want's to get the GasVent 5 from the White Knight on a Minigun and still be able to mod it. Actually, it is... Can't have GV's on a Miniguy, that is what a Gyromount is for (and better RC to boot)... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 01:27 PM
Post
#187
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 03:13 PM) Actually, it is... Can't have GV's on a Miniguy, that is what a Gyromount is for (and better RC to boot)... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) One does not exclude you from using the other. GasVents can be installed in machine guns. A machine gun constructed as a minigun does not cease to be a machine gun.So yes a White Knight constructed as a minigun has 5 RC base, combine that with a gyro mount, personalized grip, shock pad and a heavy barrel, you are only at -2 for the shot. Now not only suppressive fire is viable with an infantry minigun. Still I'd say mount it on a steel lynx and save money |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 01:34 PM
Post
#188
|
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2011, 06:27 AM) One does not exclude you from using the other. GasVents can be installed in machine guns. A machine gun constructed as a minigun does not cease to be a machine gun. So yes a White Knight constructed as a minigun has 5 RC base, combine that with a gyro mount, personalized grip, shock pad and a heavy barrel, you are only at -2 for the shot. Now not only suppressive fire is viable with an infantry minigun. Still I'd say mount it on a steel lynx and save money Miniguns are NOT machine guns (even if they class them as such in the game)... they function on a compledtely different system. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I would squash that line of reasoning like a bug (Modding a White knight with its RC), personally. And Yes, I would put it on a Steel Lynx as well. No recoil and Totally badass suppressive fire. An infantry man cannot carry enough ammunition for it to be truly useful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Besides, you do not need all that crap for Infantry Use, as its only real use is going to be as a Suppressive Weapon. There is no recoil modifier for Suppressive Fire. |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 01:45 PM
Post
#189
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 03:34 PM) Miniguns are NOT machine guns (even if they class them as such in the game)... they function on a compledtely different system. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I know. Still I don't see why you couldn't a) put a gas vent on each barrel or b) put a gas vent in front of the firing barrel. The latter ould howver have the same problems as revolvers and silencers.QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 03:34 PM) I would squash that line of reasoning like a bug (Modding a White knight with its RC), personally. Me to. I was just using RAW. The other part of RAW however is that such a weapon only exists by GM Fiat, as PCs cannot construct weapons, they can only mod. As such this beast will never see the light of day.QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ May 24 2011, 03:34 PM) And Yes, I would put it on a Steel Lynx as well. No recoil and Totally badass suppressive fire. An infantry man cannot carry enough ammunition for it to be truly useful. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) With RL suppressive fire yes, with SR suppressive fire not so much. Dropping prone makes you immune and does not hinder you from shooting back. And the minigun can't even surprise the opposition.
Besides, you do not need all that crap for Infantry Use, as its only real use is going to be as a Suppressive Weapon. There is no recoil modifier for Suppressive Fire. |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 02:25 PM
Post
#190
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 |
Why can't I just angle my machine gun downwards 5 degrees and kill the prone guys who can now not even dodge?
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 02:26 PM
Post
#191
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (sabs @ May 24 2011, 04:25 PM) Why can't I just angle my machine gun downwards 5 degrees and kill the prone guys who can now not even dodge? Because the rules say so. Also for all but very near shots (IIRC <5m) being prone is beneficial and not detrimental to the target.
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 02:39 PM
Post
#192
|
|
|
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,479 Joined: 6-May 05 From: Idaho Member No.: 7,377 |
Once you start directing your fire, I guess it is more like a wide burst than suppressive.
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 05:57 PM
Post
#193
|
|
|
Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,803 Joined: 3-February 08 From: Finland Member No.: 15,628 |
QUOTE (sabs @ May 24 2011, 05:25 PM) Why can't I just angle my machine gun downwards 5 degrees and kill the prone guys who can now not even dodge? You can, its called wide burst (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 08:56 PM
Post
#194
|
|
|
Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
I wonder if Trolls turn their Gatling Guns sideways when shooting them "To look cool". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 10:11 PM
Post
#195
|
|
|
Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ May 24 2011, 02:56 PM) I wonder if Trolls turn their Gatling Guns sideways when shooting them "To look cool". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) *Shakes Head in Amazement* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
|
|
|
|
May 24 2011, 11:43 PM
Post
#196
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 233 Joined: 27-September 10 From: New York Member No.: 19,080 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ May 24 2011, 03:56 PM) I wonder if Trolls turn their Gatling Guns sideways when shooting them "To look cool". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Of course they do. Or at least the real trolls do. Trog Life! ~R~ |
|
|
|
|
May 25 2011, 03:44 PM
Post
#197
|
|
|
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 873 Joined: 16-September 10 Member No.: 19,052 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ May 24 2011, 09:30 AM) Actually I meant the simple (but unattainable) way of the jarhead. Hmmm, if only a Stirrup Interface left you with enough brains to rig yourself... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
|
|
|
|
|
Lo-Fi Version | Time is now: 12th April 2022 - 11:41 AM |
Topps, Inc has sole ownership of the names, logo, artwork, marks, photographs, sounds, audio, video and/or any proprietary material used in connection with the game Shadowrun. Topps, Inc has granted permission to the Dumpshock Forums to use such names, logos, artwork, marks and/or any proprietary materials for promotional and informational purposes on its website but does not endorse, and is not affiliated with the Dumpshock Forums in any official capacity whatsoever.