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[CanRay]

That wasn't the scene, was it? It was the scene where Sam drops the coffee cup to test Gregor's reflexes...

There was two scenes with a cup of coffee. My quote was from the second.

[phlapjack77]

Right, but the scene with the "coffee ambush" wasn't trying to test anyone's reflexes, was it? It was to test Spence's combat exp, or lack thereof. Anyway, sorry for being pedantic, arguing about a movie scene on a RPG message board and all that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[CanRay]

Right, but the scene with the "coffee ambush" wasn't trying to test anyone's reflexes, was it? It was to test Spence's combat exp, or lack thereof. Anyway, sorry for being pedantic, arguing about a movie scene on a RPG message board and all that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

You quoted the scene that showed proof of the ability, I quoted the one that proved the lack thereof. IIRC, he tested everyone in one way or another for abilities or professionalism.

[phlapjack77]

Hmmm, I hadn't seen it from that angle, that he "tests" every one of his partners in crime...have to rewatch the movie now with this new angle in my mind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

It's what I'd do. And makes some of his questions and answers, with his watching the reactions to both, make a lot more sense. Some are multiple tests, such as the question about the boathouse, which tells him who is the person that does the most thinking and pondering, as well as who is most likely to actually have the guts or willpower to ask the question of a unarmed man that just ambushed a pistol packing amateur with a cup of coffee.

It's also how the character is played out, if you watch the scene at the hotel when he tests the reactions to the guards protecting the package and bagman. And is able to get photo evidence for planning.

Very subtle, but very, very effective.

Of course, what the hell do I know about anything?

[Eimi]

A lot of younger runners think the most important skill they can have is with firearms. Or at unarmed combat. With a katana. The ability to dodge some rent a cop's shots. To bamboozle an actual cop.

The older ones, who actually lived long enough to know a thing or two? They all know that it's Perception. Because if you never see certain things coming, all of the above won't do you a lick of good.

[ElFenrir]

High Logic, I imagine, we see anytime we see Steven Hawking or any other of the scientific geniuses. Well as much as you can ''see'' it.

High Willpower sticks out in my mind with a scene in the not great but kind of fun more recent Punisher movie. The scene where the one guy is torturing the kid with the piercings, but he doesn't give up *any* info, even as they're ripped out of his face with a pair of pliers. That, to me, speaks of high-ass willpower.

High Strength indeed can be tough. I mean I have an old friend who isn't the biggest guy in the world-not very tall and he doesn't look big, but he's stronger than an ox on steroids.

Edit: Of course, I missed the 'physical' thing in the actual thread title and I give two mental examples. Whoops.

Re: Reaction-I always sort of felt that as the half-mental, half-physical attribute.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

Re: Reaction-I always sort of felt that as the half-mental, half-physical attribute.

I've always viewed it as a purely physical attribute, the mental half is intuition.

Basically reflexes is how fast your body itself can react, your twitch reflexes. Intuition is how quickly your mind can react, especially to 'larger' things. Like intuition doesn't cover 'I need to get out of the way of gunfire' because that is thought far far faster than the body can react, so your actual ability to react is based on reflexes (and hence its use in dodging bullets) while intuition would deal with 'I want to get over there because it gives me a better position to shoot from' or 'I want to shoot her first because she is more dangerous' (and hence its use in initiative).

Think of it as want vs need. You want to kill the more dangerous person first, you want a better tactical position, but you need to get out of the way of that semi coming your way.

[CanRay]

High Willpower sticks out in my mind with a scene in the not great but kind of fun more recent Punisher movie. The scene where the one guy is torturing the kid with the piercings, but he doesn't give up *any* info, even as they're ripped out of his face with a pair of pliers. That, to me, speaks of high-ass willpower.

High Strength indeed can be tough. I mean I have an old friend who isn't the biggest guy in the world-not very tall and he doesn't look big, but he's stronger than an ox on steroids.

In the Squik-Tastic scene in Kane and Lynch 2: Dog Days, when they're stripped naked and have been attacked with box cutters to try and torture information out of them... That shows some high-hooped Willpower and Charisma (Composure Tests). Not only don't they talk, but they go on a roaring rampage of revenge after getting free. While naked. Thank goodness for censor bars!

My Stepfather was a mover, and while stout, did not have the bulging muscles one would associate with strength. His partner in his job was a tall, scrawny guy. Both were able to out lift and out work a chiseled power lifter (High Strength and Body in their cases), but that's as much skill as it is training. Never doubt experience. I miss him. (*Throws a shot of aged single malt scotch into a fire*)

However, there was one really big guy I knew that used the steel rails while working on the railroad lines as cabers for fun while bored on the job site with another fellow. Just looking at him, however, you knew he was strong. Miss him, as well. Had a damn good wake for him at a strip club, however.

[HunterHerne]

In the Squik-Tastic scene in Kane and Lynch 2: Dog Days, when they're stripped naked and have been attacked with box cutters to try and torture information out of them... That shows some high-hooped Willpower and Charisma (Composure Tests). Not only don't they talk, but they go on a roaring rampage of revenge after getting free. While naked. Thank goodness for censor bars!

My Stepfather was a mover, and while stout, did not have the bulging muscles one would associate with strength. His partner in his job was a tall, scrawny guy. Both were able to out lift and out work a chiseled power lifter (High Strength and Body in their cases), but that's as much skill as it is training. Never doubt experience. I miss him. (*Throws a shot of aged single malt scotch into a fire*)

However, there was one really big guy I knew that used the steel rails while working on the railroad lines as cabers for fun while bored on the job site with another fellow. Just looking at him, however, you knew he was strong. Miss him, as well. Had a damn good wake for him at a strip club, however.

Canadians have the best parties

[Fyndhal]

Back in feudal Japan, one of the ways they detected ninjas was by having a small child send a spinning top in the suspected ninja's path. If it was a ninja, they would make a graceful movement to avoid it that only a trained ninja would do.

[citation needed]

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[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

Back in feudal Japan, one of the ways they detected ninjas was by having a small child send a spinning top in the suspected ninja's path. If it was a ninja, they would make a graceful movement to avoid it that only a trained ninja would do.

[citation needed]

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That sounds more or less like western methods of witch detection. AKA totally ineffective.

[CanRay]

Canadians have the best parties

It was a wake. The strippers were part of it.

Not exactly a party.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

I think that only makes it more impressive. If a wake involves strippers, what does an actual party entail? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[CanRay]

I think that only makes it more impressive. If a wake involves strippers, what does an actual party entail? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Wouldn't know. Never get invited to any.

[redwulf25]

It was a wake. The strippers were part of it.

Not exactly a party.

I've always thought of a wake as a "farewell" party of sorts.

Edit: at least the good old fashioned Irish kind of wake. Other cultures wakes are more somber and involve less drinking.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

I've always thought of a wake as a "farewell" party of sorts.

Edit: at least the good old fashioned Irish kind of wake. Other cultures wakes are more somber and involve less drinking.

Does an Irish anything not involve drinking?

*runs and hides* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

Does an Irish anything not involve drinking?

*runs and hides* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

There are sober Irishmen. They're called "Dry Alcoholics". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Tyro]

Knowing how to use your body properly has a lot to do with apparent strength. So does physiology. When I'm in shape I don't look all that different from when I'm out of shape (my muscles tone much more than they bulk), and I'm always stronger than I look regardless of what shape I'm in because I know how to use my body effectively. I also have very good pain and damage resistance (Body and Willpower) and rarely get sick (Body), even though I'm a beanpole.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

Tyro is also an Ork with the Human Looking quality (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Tyro]

Tyro is also an Ork with the Human Looking quality (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Why would you say that? Nothing wrong with Orks, but in the Shadowrun universe I'd probably still be human.

I'm 6'2" and weigh between the mid-150's and mid-160's depending on how in shape I am.

[Ghost_in_the_Sys...]

Never said there was anything wrong with it. Orks are all big and strong and BP efficent after all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

No idea what I'd be. Human, elf, ork... don't think I'd be a troll or dwarf, but who knows, it isn't like what you're like really dictates your metatype.

[Tyro]

What I'd like to be is human, though. It just fits me best.

[Apathy]

The troll is way too short, in the comparison pick he's barely a head staller then the elf.
RC page 48 has a table for the racial average heigh and weight, an elf is 1,9m and a troll is 2,5m
Other think is that an ork is also 1,9m tall on average, so your orks are way too short.

I had made the elf too tall, and troll and dwarf too short. Corrected to the heights listed in RC.Race and Body vs Size

[Machiavelli]

Nice sheat. Now we can start to discuss why trolls are so weak and "fragile" in comparison to orks even when they are so much bigger.^^