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[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Nice sheat. Now we can start to discuss why trolls are so weak and "fragile" in comparison to orks even when they are so much bigger.^^

That's Easy... They Aren't... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
You know, the Law of Diminishing Returns and all that... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[James McMurray]

E.g. is a body 7 troll slim. Can strenght 6 humans also be wiry instead of bulky?

And to add something not merely physical: Is charisma 1 always ugly?

We know how skills have to be categorized due to the core-book but there is nowhere a hint about attributes.

I'm coming late, and for all I know the topic has fragmented seven times and is no longer about the OP, but my answers:

1) They look like what the player wants them to look like, within reason.

2) No, Charisma 1 could be someone who is gorgeous but can't open their mouth without insulting your ethnicity. Or drop-dead ugly but really a nice guy.

[Mäx]

I had made the elf too tall, and troll and dwarf too short. Corrected to the heights listed in RC.Race and Body vs Size

Now the comparison shot makes much more sense, good job.

[ElFenrir]

That's a pretty good chart; However, I do think the troll looks a bit big.

The average troll is 2.5 meters, which is .6-slightly more than half-of a meter taller than the average ork or elf. Looking at the average troll(I think the 'average' is the fourth one in every line? he's *well* over eight feet tall-nearly 9 feet, where 2.5 meters is actually 8'2'', which *should* mean the troll in question's head should just be scraping over the 8 foot line, rather than over the nine-foot line.

That I remember the average troll is 2.5m, but I might have been wrong on that as well.

[EuroShadow]

E.g. is a body 7 troll slim. Can strenght 6 humans also be wiry instead of bulky?

And to add something not merely physical: Is charisma 1 always ugly?

We know how skills have to be categorized due to the core-book but there is nowhere a hint about attributes.

I say that only attribute that is distantly correlated with appearance would be Body. Remebering that high body means tough, resistant to pain, diseases and toxins, so it should not look sickly. However, it definitely may be not bulky. Just looking resistant.

I would say that Charisma has no relation with appearance whatsoever, I have met some beautiful people, who are non-leaders, dull and easy to ignore, while some of people who can inspire and move/influence others does not look good. Hitler wasn't beautiful, right (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dakka Dakka]

I say that only attribute that is distantly correlated with appearance would be Body. Remebering that high body means tough, resistant to pain, diseases and toxins, so it should not look sickly. However, it definitely may be not bulky. Just looking resistant.

I agree that high BOD people should not look sickly but how do you resistant and not just healthy?

[CanRay]

I agree that high BOD people should not look sickly but how do you resistant and not just healthy?

The Toughness Quality.

[Apathy]

The average troll is 2.5 meters, [...]

I thought the average heights were:
Human - 5'7"
Dwarf - 3'11"
Elf - 6'3"
Ork - 6'3"
Troll - 9'2"

If I'm incorrect please confirm so that I can adjust the chart appropriately.

I treat the average stat as 2.5. The average human office worker is Body 2, and the average human construction worker is Body 3. Body 4 is supposed to represent someone of collegiate-level or semi-pro-level athlete, and Body 5 is a pro athlete Body 6 is 'world class', and Body 7 is the maximum a human can possibly attain without 'ware or magic (max body + exceptional attribute quality).

[Dakka Dakka]

The books says:
Dwarf: 1,2m=3'11''
Elf: 1,9m=6'3''
Humans: 1,75 m=5'9''
Ork: 1,9m=6'3''
Troll: 2,5m=8'2'
Conversion may be wrong though.

[Apathy]

Definately a change from SR3, but I like the new numbers better. Attachment modified so that troll between 6 and 7 body is 8'2" tall.link to powerpoint

[Vuron]

Definately a change from SR3, but I like the new numbers better. Attachment modified so that troll between 6 and 7 body is 8'2" tall.link to powerpoint

Trolls were always extremely tall while being cadaverously thin (something not typically indicated in the art). 4e went to weight numbers that were closer to what someone that height and build would actually weigh.

Personally I still modify the heights and weights of the trolls downward because I'm not a big fan of "XBOX HUGE" trolls (or space marines (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ). I also tend to actually supplement the height and weight of dwarves some because I hate the stunty effect.