Thor Shots, Where has the hammer fallen? Options

[Wakshaani]

Target: Wastelands noted that Ares had about Thor Shots in the ol' arsenal, to drop when needed.

One took out Art Dankwalther.

Two more are said to have been used, but I can't for the life of me recall where.

ANybody have a clue?

[ravensmuse]

IIRC, one was used during Operation: Reciprocation. There might have been two shots.

[TheWanderingJewe...]

There was one used in the House of the Sun Novel by Nigel Findely if memory serves

[ravensmuse]

Right, in Hawaii. Was that the Bug Hive, or was that just tangental?

[TheWanderingJewe...]

Right, in Hawaii. Was that the Bug Hive, or was that just tangental?

I think it was on the hive..that was being fronted by Hawai'ian Nene Shamans

[Draco18s]

Didn't one hit a dragon who killed a bunch of (Muslims?) in the middle east (and he survived?)

[TheWanderingJewe...]

Not that I recall. Aden DID level Tehran and use it as an Aerie

[Draco18s]

Hmm, ok.

There is this entry on the wiki I didn't see mentioned yet

July 2063 - Ares launched Thor shot at the Proteus Romo arcology, blowing it off the Danish coast, in retaliation for strikes against their Thule facility.

[ravensmuse]

Hmm, ok.

There is this entry on the wiki I didn't see mentioned yet

July 2063 - Ares launched Thor shot at the Proteus Romo arcology, blowing it off the Danish coast, in retaliation for strikes against their Thule facility.

Ah ha, that's probably the other Shot. That was written up in the Shockwaves!!!, a German only adventure with details on Proteus AG, a euro-AA corp.

There was a brief summary of the campaign posted on the Shadowrun site, but dunno where that would be now.

[PoliteMan]

As I recall, a Dragon did get hit by one (and was said to survive, which is BS) but it wasn't Aden. Maybe Nachtmiester?

[longbowrocks]

How can a dragon survive being shot with the insta-gib Thor, but not a humble six armed grenade launcher maniac? Or even a one-armed grenade launcher maniac?

[PoliteMan]

Plot Armor.

Dragons are much less scary/special if you acknowledge how deadly some of these armaments are/would be.

[longbowrocks]

Plot Armor.

Dragons are much less scary/special if you acknowledge how deadly some of these armaments are/would be.

Yeah, I hate that "reroll hits" ability the greats have (and negating edge) though.

[PoliteMan]

Against a grenade launcher I have no problem with reroll but against a weapon which doesn't kill someone but just obliterates an area it just doesn't make sense. Nothing should survive a nuke/nuke substitute.

[Wakshaani]

As I recall, a Dragon did get hit by one (and was said to survive, which is BS) but it wasn't Aden. Maybe Nachtmiester?

You're thinking Alais, Lofwyr's brother who was a backer of Winternight (oops!). He didn't get hit by a Thor shot, however... he took an orbital laser to the chest. Got a NASTy scar from it, darn near died, but pulled through.

(He doesn't see much use, in general, but he was the one Dunk used to play Fruitcake Tag with every year.)

[PoliteMan]

Thanks, that sounds right. Alais is basically Llofwyr's loser anarchist brother, right?

And that, barely surviving with a nasty scar against an orbital laser, seems a lot more reasonable.

[LurkerOutThere]

It wasn't an orbital laser, I believe it was tank or aircraft mounted.

And that's what I love about the Germans. In euorpe dragons can be killed by military force even if that force has to be strategic in nature, in America Ghostwalker stomps into a major North American city and dictates terms to national and corporate powers because he's got cool Dunky's brother plot armor.

[Draco18s]

And that's what I love about the Germans. In euorpe dragons can be killed by military force even if that force has to be strategic in nature, in America Ghostwalker stomps into a major North American city and dictates terms to national and corporate powers because he's got cool Dunky's brother plot armor.

Hey, over here the city only had token military forces. Ghosty* kinda did show up with a full retinue of spirits and sustained spells. I mean really, if you're a 2000 ton dragon with magic capable of obliterating a city block or two, you tend to armor yourself up pretty good (Force 12 Armor anyone? Oh, and that's before overcasting).


*Hehe, calling him this makes me giggle like a little school girl.

[Wakshaani]

Well, Ghostwalker jumped Denver, a city that doesn't really have a staggering military and corporate presence. He also had a FLOCK of spirits with him, which helped.

Heck, SIrrug was fought off by *one* *guy* when he attacked a plane. He won and shot the plane down, but, he *was* held off for a while.

Mind you, his recent work in the War! suppliment show that his magic's gotten a weeeee bit stronger since then.

(And then, of course, we have Aden, who blew up Iran single-clawedly.)

Wonder what would happen if someone *did* manage to cack a Great Dragon? The ones that have died so far were from other Greats (Nachtmaster) or uncomfirmed (Firewings getting lit up by teh German Air Force, then crashing into the uber-radioactive SOX and still rumored to be alive) or, you know, Dunk.

Wonder what would happen if, say, the Mysterious Third Great Dragon of Amazonia just got flat-out SLEW sometime? Dragonslayer's old group still exists and are sure to have killed a few Drakes and a Lesser or two. What happens if they have a good day and actually bag a Great? How would other Dragons react? How would other countries? Or megacorps? It'd probably take a large military force, or some crazy powerful magic, but, you know, Edge being Edge, some guy could just get dang lucky and gank a Great while they were in metahuman form and, thus, vulnerable.

I don't mean a Lofwyr or Rumyo or the othe rmetaplot dragons, but ... wonder what'd happen?

[LurkerOutThere]

There are wildly divergent views on how much military force was in Denver, some sources had it as mostly ceremonial some sources indicated it was quite considerable and potentially a flashpoint for a major military conflict. In any case in a world of cruise missiles, orbital artillery, and mach capable aircraft getting military force to the fight with ghost walker should have been a non-issue outside of collateral damage or political concerns, neither of which the Azzies have historically cared a great deal about.

I had pretty much a whole thread about how I felt a dragon needs to get killed by military force. I still do feel that every time we have a dragon acting unilaterally against corporate or national powers the game gets one step closer to magicrun/earthdawn with guns.

[longbowrocks]

The most capable war machines in the Shadowrun universe are the Shadow Runners themselves, so why not have your group go up against a dragon and include the result in the fluff/backstory of future campaigns?

[TheOOB]

How can a dragon survive being shot with the insta-gib Thor, but not a humble six armed grenade launcher maniac? Or even a one-armed grenade launcher maniac?

Magic

[Ascalaphus]

I thought it was Alamais, not Alais. And it was an orbital laser, as I recall.


Yeah, I think it's only fair that even GD's can be killed by the military, but it wouldn't succeed every time; the margin of failure would be big enough to make generals pause and think "But what if we miss? Then he'll be after us!"

[Sengir]

And that's what I love about the Germans. In euorpe dragons can be killed by military force even if that force has to be strategic in nature, in America Ghostwalker stomps into a major North American city and dictates terms to national and corporate powers because he's got cool Dunky's brother plot armor.

Haesslich (I think it was him) was quite unceremoniously killed by ONE guy in one the the Secrets of Power books...

And going by RAW, a creature with Magic 20+ is quite close to invulnerable. And doesn't even need combat spells, F40 Magic Fingers + F40 Combat Sense should already solve most problems...

[ravensmuse]

For the various and sundry of this thread -

The Shockwaves!!! adventure summary I mentioned beforehand (with a thanks to Crimsondude - thanks Crimsondude!)

Alamais from Dunkie's Will:

To Alamais, I leave the fruitcake we have exchanged every Christmas since 2020. Unlike you, I’m really dead.

Finally, can we not with the Ghostwalker arguments? Again? Please? No one is going to get an answer they're going to like and everyone's going to go nuts trying to prove themselves right. It's been done. To death.

Doesn't even have a focus in this thread. Go argue in the Spy Games topic.