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post May 28 2011, 06:19 AM
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Let me just start with this: a lot of this character will be filled out (such as unregistered programs, and a fake SIN) after chargen. I couldn't possibly get it all in at chargen, and I don't want to buy anything that I would have to buy at a higher rating later.
Also, I was reluctant to post this because people are going to give advice, and I'm going to end up taking it if it's good, which will make me feel like I was asking for advice.

Without further ado, I introduce John Smith; a caucasian male between 20 and 30 years of age.
BOD 1
AGI 1
REA 1
STR 1
CHA 2
INT 5
LOG 5
WIL 5
EDG 7

Qualities:
Chatty (10BP after errata)
Analytical Mind (5BP)
Erased 24hrs (10BP)
More than Metahuman (5BP)

Negative Qualities:
Allergy common mild Pollen (-10BP)
Prejudiced specific biased Emerged (-5BP)
Prejudiced specific outspoken Awakened (-10BP)
Scorched (-10BP)

Skills:
4 Cracking
4 Electronics
1 Con (+2 Fast Talk)
4 Disguise
1 First Aid
6 Gunnery (+2 Ballistic)
4 Medicine
3 Negotiation

Cyberware:
Simsense Booster (second hand)
Encephalon 2 (second hand)

Bioware/Geneware:
Symbiotes (rating 2, second hand)
Enhanced Protein PuSHeD

Lifestyle:
High (one of my drones, which people should believe to be a cyborg)
Middle (me)

Gear:
Singualrity Battle Buddy Basic (will upgrade as soon as I get the chance, but for now my programs will run at R5)
Nanopaste Disguise (Large)
4 Laes cigarettes
Latex face mask

R Program
6 Analyze
6 Armor
6 Attack
6 Biofeedback Filter
6 Blackout
6 Browse
6 Command
6 Corrupt
3 Data Bomb
3 Decrypt
3 Defuse
6 Disarm
3 ECCM
6 Edit
6 Encrypt
6 Exploit
6 Firewall
3 Medic
6 Nuke
6 Purge
6 Reality Filter
6 Scan
3 Sniffer
6 Spoof
6 Stealth
6 System
3 Track

Vehicle:
Rover 2068
+Ram Plate

Drones:
Bust-A-Move
Evo Orderly
Ford LEBD-1
+Armor, Normal, R9
Steel Lynx
+inherent weapon turret
++Ares Desert Strike
+++High Power Chambering
+++Smartgun System, External
+++Improved Range Finder
+50 High-Power Rounds
+Armor, Normal, R12
+Improved Sensor Array
+Modular Electronics
+Vehicle sensor array
++Ultrawideband Radar R4
++Cyberware Scanner R6
++Laser Microphone R6
++Radio Signal Scanner R6
++Olfactory Sensor R6
++Radar R6


Finally, drones wishlist:
Renraku Stormcloud (SR4 350); Modified GMC Chariot (AR 119); Ferret RPD-1X (AR 118); Knight Errant P4 (AR 119)

That about covers it.
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post May 28 2011, 06:45 AM
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Whenever a character sheet is going 1,1,1,1,9,9,9,9 or like that, a fairy dies.

I myself as a gm would smack you up the head with your sheet for that. I normaly just ask the player: How did he survive to this age. What did he do? I mean, REALLY. Never moved his body, played with some kids, never fought off any diseases, moves less than 5 minutes a day (gets up, gets into the drone... closes the cocoon and that's that?)?

Edge 7?....... REALLY? And with the skills. No infiltration, no athletics (of course not, ok), nothing but maximized Gunnery (where did he learn that at global high value without being TRAINED as a back-up fighter and standard military skillsets?).

The whole concept doesn't feel right. (It feels like blatant one-trick pony min-maxing with no rhyme or reason). I wouldn't let this into my game, sorry.
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post May 28 2011, 06:53 AM
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With those stats, you might as well just make an AI.
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post May 28 2011, 07:00 AM
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Definitely min-maxing. My only reason? Stay under the radar and kill anything dubbed "special".
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post May 28 2011, 07:02 AM
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QUOTE (ravensoracle @ May 27 2011, 10:53 PM) *
With those stats, you might as well just make an AI.

I considered it. I didn't give it too much thought though. I think I was more worried about the binary nature of an AI's existence. It's either going to live forever, or someone will find its home node and destroy it while it defrags.
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post May 28 2011, 07:05 AM
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Also with those stats, Id probably say Parapalegic would be the best neg quality for you. It's the best explanation of what you have.
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post May 28 2011, 07:09 AM
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I want to avoid being noticed. Parapalegic could hurt my chances.

Also, what's wrong with EDGE 7? The other possible reason I can think of for the higher cap is to allow you to softmax at a normal char's hardmax.
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post May 28 2011, 08:23 AM
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All your physical stats at 1 should be very noticeable anyways. You are about as healthy as someone completely bedridden.
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post May 28 2011, 12:53 PM
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QUOTE (Summerstorm @ May 28 2011, 12:45 AM) *
Whenever a character sheet is going 1,1,1,1,9,9,9,9 or like that, a fairy dies.

I myself as a gm would smack you up the head with your sheet for that. I normaly just ask the player: How did he survive to this age. What did he do? I mean, REALLY. Never moved his body, played with some kids, never fought off any diseases, moves less than 5 minutes a day (gets up, gets into the drone... closes the cocoon and that's that?)?

Edge 7?....... REALLY? And with the skills. No infiltration, no athletics (of course not, ok), nothing but maximized Gunnery (where did he learn that at global high value without being TRAINED as a back-up fighter and standard military skillsets?).

The whole concept doesn't feel right. (It feels like blatant one-trick pony min-maxing with no rhyme or reason). I wouldn't let this into my game, sorry.



Sorry, Longbowrocks, but I have to agree with Summerstorm here...

I have a nice hefty book for the smacking, as well... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 28 2011, 12:59 PM
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You didn't create a character here, dude.

You created a collection of stats.




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post May 28 2011, 01:04 PM
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Who is surprised? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) My favorite is Gunnery 6 (Ballistic).

Just make everything 2-3 instead. It's not like you need those stats.
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post May 28 2011, 01:19 PM
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All RP issues aside, you will need that 7 edge becuase you will be burning it left and right to keep the character alive. There will be times when you have to get out of the van, its inevitable. There will be a hacking job where the paydata is in cold storage, and you have go there in the meat to get it. There will be that run that takes place in the orc underground, and you can't get the vehicle down there. There will be the meet and greet with the client and there will be an ambush. A cubscout with a monkey wrench can make you his bitch in a street fight. You just built a nice NPC, the physically crippled spider who sits in his room and runs the base secuirty, but this guy is so limited I don't see you surviving the shadows.
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post May 28 2011, 02:21 PM
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QUOTE (KarmaInferno @ May 28 2011, 04:59 AM) *
You didn't create a character here, dude.

You created a collection of stats.

Bingo.

QUOTE (baronspam @ May 28 2011, 05:19 AM) *
All RP issues aside, you will need that 7 edge becuase you will be burning it left and right to keep the character alive. There will be times when you have to get out of the van, its inevitable. There will be a hacking job where the paydata is in cold storage, and you have go there in the meat to get it. There will be that run that takes place in the orc underground, and you can't get the vehicle down there. There will be the meet and greet with the client and there will be an ambush. A cubscout with a monkey wrench can make you his bitch in a street fight. You just built a nice NPC, the physically crippled spider who sits in his room and runs the base secuirty, but this guy is so limited I don't see you surviving the shadows.

My party is never going to see me. If somebody finds out who I am, I don't want to play this character nearly as much, because there will then be some conceivable way for mages to get a picture of me, which they can turn into a link for rituals. If anyone encounters me on the street by chance, I don't know what I would do since I don't want to cause a commotion. I might fast talk my way out of trouble, or I if I didn't care anymore I might just use my clockwork drones and walk by the crispy villain.
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post May 28 2011, 02:40 PM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 28 2011, 09:21 AM) *
My party is never going to see me.

And you're the face...

And you're prejudiced against Emerged and Awakened, so I"m betting there's a couple people on the team you wouldn't mind seeing dead.

Honestly, I don't see how people play characters like these at the table with everyone else. They seem to exist separately from the team. I don't see how they're supposed to work with the team. The more people are separate from everyone else, the more often random boredom and distractions enter the game as people art looking for something to do while the GM is focused on a single individual.
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post May 28 2011, 02:52 PM
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QUOTE (suoq @ May 28 2011, 06:40 AM) *
And you're the face...

And you're prejudiced against Emerged and Awakened, so I"m betting there's a couple people on the team you wouldn't mind seeing dead.

Honestly, I don't see how people play characters like these at the table with everyone else. They seem to exist separately from the team. I don't see how they're supposed to work with the team. The more people are separate from everyone else, the more often random boredom and distractions enter the game as people art looking for something to do while the GM is focused on a single individual.

Now we're getting somewhere.

I took chatty. I'll talk through my drones with a voice modulator, but I wouldn't show my face. That would be bad.

I'll try not to kill my teammates. Most of my passion will be directed towards a random mage I work on killing between missions. I'll try to keep that to an abstract single roll after every session, so I don't take up everyone else's time (i.e. data search for info on my target, or single contact about him letting me remodel his house).

Ugh, I know what you mean. My bow troll had days where he didn't do anything, so I ended up wistlessly watching my team to face work and hacking. Hopefully I'll do better now that I can participate in combat, social, and technical skills.

As for the cold storage, there's got to be a number on that signal reduction, and I eventually pan to have my mutual signal range at about 1/2 the globe when absolutely necessary. I'd probably just proxy through the underground wired network, or have repeater drones though.
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post May 28 2011, 03:13 PM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 28 2011, 08:52 AM) *
As for the cold storage, there's got to be a number on that signal reduction, and I eventually pan to have my mutual signal range at about 1/2 the globe when absolutely necessary. I'd probably just proxy through the underground wired network, or have repeater drones though.


Kind of hard to have 1/2 Global Mutual Signal Range when said Cold Storgage Facilty has no signal that penetrates outside of the walls, and no Wired access outside of the facility at all.
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post May 28 2011, 04:20 PM
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This is more min-maxed than I was expecting. The fun part is the orderly's crotch based off switch. One swift kick to the balls and down he goes. Plus, people are going to love getting you across borders.
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post May 28 2011, 05:10 PM
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I think I'm missing something here. A key part of your plan is to pretend to be a cyborg, throwing any would-be pursuers off your trail. Let me list a few problems with that.

#1. Not one of the drones you have is even vaguely humanoid. This might work with your SR buddies but...
#2 You've rented a high class apartment/house for the "fake you". At this point, pretending to be an escaped cyborg in the body of, say, a drone tank will raise eyebrows amongst your neighbors.
#3 High and Medium lifestyles require SINs
#4 Neither your nor your "drone" you have either a real or fake sin. In fact, you have no ID, fake or real, of any kind.

Also, at some point your GM is going to have corps/cops/mafia run a trace on you, or TI, or something and you have no defenses on your drones or home node to prevent serious hacking. This will end poorly and your GM will laugh at you.
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QUOTE (ggodo @ May 28 2011, 09:20 AM) *
This is more min-maxed than I was expecting. The fun part is the orderly's crotch based off switch. One swift kick to the balls and down he goes. Plus, people are going to love getting you across borders.


Yeah Ggodo, Just disallow the character and have him move on... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post May 28 2011, 05:14 PM
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That many drones and no Control Rig?

Also, what happens of the group takes a job that needs to hack something offline, like a nexi stored inside a faraday cage. What will your "I have the ring of invisibility! You Can't See Me!" hacker plan on doing then?
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post May 28 2011, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (Fortinbras @ May 28 2011, 10:14 AM) *
Also, what happens of the group takes a job that needs to hack something offline, like a nexi stored inside a faraday cage. What will your "I have the ring of invisibility! You Can't See Me!" hacker plan on doing then?



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post May 28 2011, 06:38 PM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ May 28 2011, 02:21 PM) *
Bingo.


My party is never going to see me. If somebody finds out who I am, I don't want to play this character nearly as much, because there will then be some conceivable way for mages to get a picture of me, which they can turn into a link for rituals. If anyone encounters me on the street by chance, I don't know what I would do since I don't want to cause a commotion. I might fast talk my way out of trouble, or I if I didn't care anymore I might just use my clockwork drones and walk by the crispy villain.


but thats the problem. there will be times that the group is doing something where you *can't* just phone it in via the net. It will come up. Corps aren't dumb. If you had something really really valuable on a computer, with the state of hackers being what is it, would you put in on your LAN or would you put it in a system with no access to the outside world? Are you just going to sit there and eat cheetos during those game sessions or are you going to insist that your GM write every single story in a way that accomidates your character never having to go hands on? Neither seems like a reasonable solution, so the character probably is not a reasonable choice.
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post May 28 2011, 06:52 PM
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I myself as a gm would smack you up the head with your sheet for that. I normaly just ask the player: How did he survive to this age. What did he do? I mean, REALLY. Never moved his body, played with some kids, never fought off any diseases, moves less than 5 minutes a day (gets up, gets into the drone... closes the cocoon and that's that?)?

Oh, thats easy. One severe illness and strait there you go.
(Oh, and you do not need lasting effects. Coma + severe fiver and there you go. Starving in about 2 weeks from 100 to 60 kg is not a bid deal that way.)
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QUOTE (Summerstorm @ May 28 2011, 01:45 AM) *
Whenever a character sheet is going 1,1,1,1,9,9,9,9 or like that, a fairy dies.

I myself as a gm would smack you up the head with your sheet for that. I normaly just ask the player: How did he survive to this age. What did he do? I mean, REALLY. Never moved his body, played with some kids, never fought off any diseases, moves less than 5 minutes a day (gets up, gets into the drone... closes the cocoon and that's that?)?


I'd buy the physical stats if the character had the paraplegic (or better yet quadriplegic) flaw. For someone who's not supposed to be completely crippled I'd expect a minimum of 2 in their physical stats.
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post May 28 2011, 07:31 PM
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For someone who's not supposed to be completely crippled I'd expect a minimum of 2 in their physical stats.

Which would leave you with 40BP less. (Thats 10% if your total BP)
You can either cut down on attributes or you can cut down on skills and resources.
Both is possible.

That is why I like Karmagen. Four attributes from one to two just costs 40 Karma, which is about 5% of your total Karma.
But increasing four attributes from 4 to 5 costs 100 Karma which is 13% of your total Karma.
(You might want to cut Karma to 650 and hand out free Knoledge skills like in BP)
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