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[Irion]

So would bin Laden. Did he die from a stroke, too?

Nobody claimed the kill. Why not give all his victims closure if you went to the trouble killing him?
As you would be accused of anything.
It is not like the mossad did not admitted if he killed some Nazis.
http://www.haaretz.com/jewish-world/news/e...t-away-1.253046
Sometimes bastards get away because they are lucky bastards.

There are a lot of moments in history, when Hitler could have died.

[CanRay]

Like Faelan said, when you live certain behaviors for a while, they tend to show.

That said, as you move away from Marines into groups where individuals are permitted to be beautiful and unique flowers, that skill falls off. I (of all people!) have been confused with military because I use NATO letters and military time. I'm just sick of people mispelling my name or being late to appointments! I doubt I could pick a naval officer from a crowd if he's not in uniform, and my only clue for USAF is they oftentimes have pictures or old casings in their cubicle.

Thanks for pointing out my use of the term "Tells", Faelan. That's exactly what I meant, even if the term comes from gambling, it's true of a lot of things. Tells are also in language use, BTW, not just motions.

And I've had more than one person who is peripherally interested in the military in some way mistake me for military as I have "The Soldier's March". I can't do lockstep, however, so that gives me away (My "Tell") every time. I also use NATO-Phonetics, but that's from my tech days when you had to be sure about letters when talking about MAC Addresses and such.

There are a lot of moments in history, when Hitler could have died.

A certain bunker with a bomb in a briefcase comes to mind... A British Sniper (From the "Ungentlemanly Warfare Department") had him in the sights for a few crucial seconds before being called off for some reason... A few others...

[suoq]

My problem with Tells is that you're making a binary decision on A based on B.

Using Faelan's example, you can recognize the Marines if you've been a marine. I'm fine with that. But that doesn't mean you can recognize a threat. Watch the first two DVDs of Season 1 of Top Shot. Kelly Bachand is a 22 year old. When I was younger we would have used the word "preppie" to describe him. He's not particularly confident. His eyebrows are locked in a permanent state of "I'm out of my element" and his forehead has wrinkles that scream "worried". ( http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/vide...t-kelly-bachand ). His teammates don't take him seriously, think he's not an asset, and nominate him for elimination 3 times, where he sends home 2 marines and a USPSA Grand Master. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Shot ). No one else that season won three elimination challenges and the only guy who won 2 was the Grand Master he sent home.

I'm fine with someone saying that they can identify some threats and I'm fine with that in Shadowrun as well, but when someone has not identified a threat during recon, that does not mean the threat isn't there. Thinking one's assessment is completely accurate, to me, is fallacy.

[hermit]

A certain bunker with a bomb in a briefcase comes to mind... A British Sniper (From the "Ungentlemanly Warfare Department") had him in the sights for a few crucial seconds before being called off for some reason... A few others...

A lot, actually. There were some 40 attempts to kill him from the German military alone (half of which hated him for various reasons, from him being lowborn to objections about the war against the USSR).

[Faraday]

A lot, actually. There were some 40 attempts to kill him from the German military alone (half of which hated him for various reasons, from him being lowborn to objections about the war against the USSR).

I won't even get into the innumerable attempts by time travelers... *TVTropes warning*

[CanRay]

I won't even get into the innumerable attempts by time travelers... *TVTropes warning*

Bah, idiots all of them.

Prevent the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria. See what that will do.

Or cure Robert A. Heinlein of his pulmonary tuberculosis and... Oh, wait, that's been done as a story. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Give Mozart mirrorshades?

[James McMurray]

Or go back and become your own father. Wait, Heinlein did that story, too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

To hell with Mozart and shades. Imagine Beethoven with a hearing aid.

[CanRay]

To hell with Mozart and shades.

*Cough*

[Faelan]

My problem with Tells is that you're making a binary decision on A based on B.

Using Faelan's example, you can recognize the Marines if you've been a marine. I'm fine with that. But that doesn't mean you can recognize a threat. Watch the first two DVDs of Season 1 of Top Shot. Kelly Bachand is a 22 year old. When I was younger we would have used the word "preppie" to describe him. He's not particularly confident. His eyebrows are locked in a permanent state of "I'm out of my element" and his forehead has wrinkles that scream "worried". ( http://www.history.com/shows/top-shot/vide...t-kelly-bachand ). His teammates don't take him seriously, think he's not an asset, and nominate him for elimination 3 times, where he sends home 2 marines and a USPSA Grand Master. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Top_Shot ). No one else that season won three elimination challenges and the only guy who won 2 was the Grand Master he sent home.

I'm fine with someone saying that they can identify some threats and I'm fine with that in Shadowrun as well, but when someone has not identified a threat during recon, that does not mean the threat isn't there. Thinking one's assessment is completely accurate, to me, is fallacy.

1) I would never say any threat assessment is 100% accurate. 2) Anyone and everyone in a target area is a threat, the degree is what varies. 3) The example above is irrelevant. He can shoot, granted, that makes him a threat. A 5 year old with a gun is threat. The fact the other competitors took his age for granted is not a mistake most people will make in a combat or potentially hostile environment. In the end Top Shot is a TV show, not a combat zone or a target. Also just because you can shoot does not make you capable. 4) Thinking you have accounted for everything will get you killed. 5) You do surveillance and make a threat assessment to give you a starting point for a viable plan to accomplish your mission objective.

@ Canray: I hope you don't think I was picking apart your use of the word "Tells" it is the generally accepted term, if I offended mea culpa.

[CanRay]

Nah, is all good. That's how most people would have heard of the term, so it was a good way of explaining it. I should have done so myself, so thanks for correcting my possible error.

[Faelan]

Good, I guess I don't have to worry about a certain Dog Shaman gunning for my ass.

[CanRay]

I'd have to play first. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)