Realistic Combat System Options

[lodestar]

I think a lot of people who used the TW2K rules misused them in a lot of cases, combat in terms of supressing fire seemed to work fairly well as well as damage. While characters could technically "survive" hits from weapons they would usually be incapacitated to the point they were out of the fight. Most of these characters wouldn't survive period according to the rules if not given immediate medical attention. I do agree that the target numbers did need some tweaking other wise it always seemed that some characters could hit things ridiculously easily while it made it impossible for others. The second edition fixed this if I remember, but we stopped playing it at that point as GDW went under shortly after it appeared.

[Austere Emancipa...]

I'm basing all of my stuff on TW2K on version 2.2. Maybe autofire worked better in earlier editions, I have no idea. Same with the damages. Fact remains that damage, TNs, autofire, recoil, skill/attr system all require tweaking to make it "realistic". Perhaps not major tweaking, only fiddling around with numbers, but tweaking nevertheless. Canon TW2K has at least as significant problems with realism and reason as SR does.

[tete]

MERPS!!!! ok so its not modern but melee is painful. I think more abstract system like shadowrun and whitewolf do realistic much better than most for one simple reason. Its fast! Using all the GURPS advanced rules I would say that statiisticaly speaking its way more realistic than shadowrun. but rolling three times and doing calculations is not. Combat especialy with guns is fast and usualy people who are hit even if its not a fatal wound dont get up for awhile

[Erebus]

Someone already mentioned Millenium's End, but its worth pointing out that the original "Ultramodern Firearms" book was a supplement for that system.