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[Yerameyahu]

Compare to 1700s, 1800s.

[Mäx]

Heh, just noticed that Red Dot Sight has no mention of being incompatible with Laser Sight, meaning you can use those 2 to get +2 dicepool bnus for shooting, negating the need for a smartlink (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[hermit]

Well. On one hand, that's kinda what it does today, right? On the other hand, *sigh*.

Does it say it's incompatible with scopes or smartlink?

[Hida Tsuzua]

Heh, just noticed that Red Dot Sight has no mention of being incompatible with Laser Sight, meaning you can use those 2 to get +2 dicepool bnus for shooting, negating the need for a smartlink (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

That's interesting. It makes all those guns with innate laser sights better. Smartlinks are still nice for the sensor channel(s), but you have to weigh that with the hoop you have to jump to make it unhackable. I'm not sure how I feel about it overall till I get a better look.

Edit- I miss Raygun. He'll be an interesting addition to this discussion

[Yerameyahu]

Let's just assume it's an error. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Smartlinks are better anyway.

[Fatum]

You can't combine sights to get the benefits of both. Same way you can't use laser sight with a smartgun system.

[Brazilian_Shinob...]

Nice to feel the love on the forums. :PWow, someone actually interested in my ranting/educating. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (I think the A-10 "Warthog"'s main gun is 30mm as well.).

Depleted Uranium Tipped Rounds are Armour Defeating Ammunition ("Armour-Piercing", in other words) that can almost do the "Hollywood Armour Piercing" that gun nuts like myself leave shaking our heads. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) It's used in tank rounds, where they're nicknamed "The Silver Bullet". I'm not entirely sure, but it might be used in smaller calibers as well. (As most of the forces that use these rounds face opponents that don't use body armour as standard issue, that might not be as likely. But, as I constantly say, I'm just a civvie puke.).

You could use DU for smaller bullets, like, say, rifle bullets and it would have the same effect as a tungsten bullet, with the added feature that DU can set fuel tanks on fire if hitting properly.
And really, if are going to use DU to make bullets, it is cheaper use it on bigger bullets and tungsten or other REALLY-REALLY-HEAVY metal on smaller bullets.

[hobgoblin]

Edit- I miss Raygun. He'll be an interesting addition to this discussion

Only way i can interpret that "interesting" is as "popcorn, anyone?"...

[sabs]

I'm confused
what's the difference between Red Dot Targeting, and Laser sight?

[Critias]

Not a whole heck of a lot.

[CanRay]

Huh. Thanks. Gonna keep that in mind, since I play an ex military rigger. Also, DU rounds for handguns should have a more potent charge, right? Because the warhead is that much heavier? Can normal weapons (real ones) even handle such scaled up ammo without exploding like a softair you try to fire live ammo with?

It's only tipped with Depleted Uranium, not completely made of it (Expensive bullet!), so the additional charge wouldn't be that much. Probably not even much more than the "+P" (Overpressure ammunition) made today which can be used by weapons safely as long as they're in good condition. (And if you're using a weapon in bad condition, you deserve to lose a few fingers. Take care of your gear, people!).

Honestly, they probably have the same stats as APDS without the discarding sabot nature, or are, quite possibly, the Anti-Vehicular ammo already referenced. (Which would make sense, as they'd "over-penetrate biological targets", or just make a little hole in the person rather than "Small hole in front, BIG hole in back", in other words.).

You could use DU for smaller bullets, like, say, rifle bullets and it would have the same effect as a tungsten bullet, with the added feature that DU can set fuel tanks on fire if hitting properly.
And really, if are going to use DU to make bullets, it is cheaper use it on bigger bullets and tungsten or other REALLY-REALLY-HEAVY metal on smaller bullets.

IIRC, Fuel tanks, usually, are made of a non-sparking metal (Well, on Civilian Vehicles they are. Amour Plate, I'm not so sure on.). Of course, you can solve that problem by adding in a few tracers with those DU Rounds. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I know there's Steel-jacketed rounds, how about Titanium-jacketed Rounds?

[sabs]

I mean, why are they different? Laser sight, shoots a red laser at where the gun is aiming, showing you with a little red dot.

How is that different than this new Red Dot Sight?>

[CanRay]

I'm confused what's the difference between Red Dot Targeting, and Laser sight?

A Laser Sight shoots out a laser that hits a target and puts a little red light on it where the weapon has been sighted in on. This is obvious to the target if he spots it, and smoke will allow someone to trace the laser back to it's source.

A Red Dot Sight is a small piece of glass (Or something else, Transparent Aluminum anyone?) that has a Red Dot superimposed on it where the weapon is sighted in on. It is not hitting anything but the glass, and cannot be seen by anyone unless they're looking right at the weapon itself from the front or back.

Rules wise in Shadowrun, no difference. Fluff and intelligence wise, a lot. From my understanding, red dots have supplanted laser sights for a lot of modern equipped forces, but laser sights might be funneling down to second-rate (But still capable of maintaining high-tech equipment) forces. And, of course, Civilians. That said, a lot of folks still swear by (Or at) Iron Sights.

[MYST1C]

How is that different than this new Red Dot Sight?>

A laser sight projects a (red) laser dot onto the target. Anybody (including the target) can see this dot. In a dusty or misty environment the laser beam itself can become visible through scattering.

A red dot sight (aka aimpoint) is just an optic with an internally projected aiming dot or reticle. Nothing is projected to the outside and only the user of the sight sees the red dot.

[Mäx]

You can't combine sights to get the benefits of both. Same way you can't use laser sight with a smartgun system.

No, the reason you don't get a benefit from both laser sight and smartlink is that the rules say you don't.

[hermit]

A Red Dot Sight is a small piece of glass (Or something else, Transparent Aluminum anyone?) that has a Red Dot superimposed on it where the weapon is sighted in on.

Transparex, heretic. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

And there we have the advantage of the smartlink versus the laser sight/red dot sight combo: the smartlink doesn't warn the target. If that combo is even legal, which I would rule it not to be because putting a red dot where your sight puts a red dot is kinda redundant and adds no new information.

[Nath]

I'm confused
what's the difference between Red Dot Targeting, and Laser sight?

"Laser sight" is a laser projecting a red (or green, or infrared) dot on the target (or above or below it, depending on the range). "Red dot sight" a diode projecting a red (or green) dot on a sight.

At long range, you lose the benefit of a laser sight because the dot is too far away to be seen (unless using magnification at the same time, of course). Also, if the enemy is using night vision equipment (or is a metahuman...), the laser sight becomes a flashy beam telling where you are and what you're aiming at (or the other way round). Red dot sight, on the other hand cannot be used in all firing positions (though some people would tell you they work in all 'correct' firing positions), and lacks the cool, movie-style, intimidating factor.

By the rules, it's still going to provide +X to your shooting dice pool.

EDIT: aw, too slow.

[Mäx]

If that combo is even legal, which I would rule it not to be because putting a red dot where your sight puts a red dot is kinda redundant and adds no new information.

Well you can make the second dot green or some other color too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[CanRay]

That reminds me what I wanted to do, make up stats for an Infrared Laser Sight for Dwarves and Trolls (And folks that have had their eyes done.). Be a fairly niche market, but a profitable one, I bet.

[Mäx]

That reminds me what I wanted to do, make up stats for an Infrared Laser Sight for Dwarves and Trolls (And folks that have had their eyes done.). Be a fairly niche market, but a profitable one, I bet.

I don't know about niche, considering you can get those IRL and we don't even have any people with that kind of vision without using goggles.

[Vuron]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm... I know there's Steel-jacketed rounds, how about Titanium-jacketed Rounds?

IIRC, Steel-jacketed bullets are actually relatively soft because a) you don't want to have excessive wear on the barrel and b) essentially you want the rifling of the barrel to cause the bullet to spin thus aiding it in ballistic flight. If the bullet is to hard it wouldn't spin correctly (see pre-rifled guns) and/or would shred the barrel due to excessive wear and tear. I imagine misfires would be even more problematic.

DU rounds or Tungsten Rounds are typically used as the penetrator of large anti-vehicular weaponry (20mm+). I'm not sure that it would be possible to scale down DU to anti-personnel purposes (or even that it would be advantageous). Factor in the health concerns about DU and tungsten ammo and I'm not sure that DU should be included outside of vehicular weaponry ( GAU-8 Avenger Chain Guns for example). Assault Cannons would be the other likely candidate.

[hermit]

I always assumed you could buy your laser sight with any reasonable frequency off the shelf. Damn, I have an SR3 character who has UV view in his ZeissEyes just because he always uses this light for this laser sight.

[CanRay]

I don't know about niche, considering you can get those IRL and we don't even have any people with that kind of vision without using goggles.

OK, that makes even better sense then.

Actually, the Vampir system developed during WWII comes to mind. It was a IR Sniper System for nighttime shooting.

[Udoshi]

the smartlink doesn't warn the target.

What? Yes it does.

They come with a laser range finder for reason. Thats because it works exactly like a laser sight, but also has a camera.

[Mäx]

They come with a laser range finder for reason. Thats because it works exactly like a laser sight, but also has a camera.

Excpt there's really no reason what so ever for the laser range finder to use a visible spectrum.