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[Yerameyahu]

Exactly, it's the same as the vehicles. I'm not saying reduce the weapon catalog, just that there's a reason the differences are minor. Honestly, I wish the sniper rifles were *not* so distinct.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Lastly, as it has become all too common with the new PDF products, even a casual glance showed the first obvious blunder: Guns with all kinds of electronic gizmos, but no smartgun system? Oh please...

And yet, probably 90% of the published material for firearms in SR4 has listed them sans Smartgun Systems. Why should a new book be any different? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) After all, you can modify them or accessorize them. Or, you know, use the general rule that a Smartgun system doubles the cost and walla, you now have a smartgun system integral to your weapon.

[CanRay]

Guerrilla gang from Craplapistan? Classics like the G3 or FAL would be better for that than old US Army equipment.

Wouldn't the "Standard Issue" for Kraplapistan be a Kalashnikov knock-off of one type or another? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

Voilà?

It is funny that any gun comes without it, but commlinks also come without sim modules. *shrug*

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Voilà?

It is funny that any gun comes without it, but commlinks also come without sim modules. *shrug*

Yep... Voilà... Been a long day... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

Not everyone that buys a CommLink wants to us VR. They're more than perfectly happy with AR. Also, as an "Option", they can charge more for it. As well as have other "Companies" provide "Choices" of Sim Modules and SmartGun Links, despite all the ones being compatible with your hardware being under the same Corporate Umbrella if you dig a bit. This kind of illusion keeps people from believing that the Megas are truly dominating their lives. After all, they have "Competition".

[Sengir]

And yet, probably 90% of the published material for firearms in SR4 has listed them sans Smartgun Systems.

But those weapons don't have any other electronic features. Gun Heaven on the other hand introduces guns with integrated commlink, anti-friendly-fire system, but no smartgun.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

But those weapons don't have any other electronic features. Gun Heaven on the other hand introduces guns with integrated commlink, anti-friendly-fire system, but no smartgun.

*Shrug* And? I still see no issues with this... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[CanRay]

But those weapons don't have any other electronic features. Gun Heaven on the other hand introduces guns with integrated commlink, anti-friendly-fire system, but no smartgun.

OK, major issues with Smart Gun Links that I can personally see: Maintenance and Complexity.

Most firearms sold are sold to countries with conscript armies or to civilians, who won't want the complexity of training required to work with a Smart Gun. Yeah, it "Aims the gun for you", but there's a lot of extra parts to take care of and calibrate.

Maintenance is the next part. Smart Guns are complex and require a lot of it, I would hazard as a guess. With a massive force, that adds up in manhours (Cheap) and replacement equipment (Expensive.).

Now, with CommLinks and PANs making up a part of the logistics of a military force, allowing REMFs to monitor who is using what and being able to see where things are being "Lost", such as paperclips, are more than worth the "Expense" of RFID tags and CommLinks to every soldier.

[hermit]

Still not sure what the crappy Renraku all-2 commlink in a gun is supposed to be good for.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Still not sure what the crappy Renraku all-2 commlink in a gun is supposed to be good for.

Well, upgrade it to Rating 4, and it is no longer a Crappy Comlink... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hermit]

... why would you want a commlink in your gun? And all-4 still is mediocre at best.

[CanRay]

Still not sure what the crappy Renraku all-2 commlink in a gun is supposed to be good for.

Budget Soldiers and REMFs who like to count paperclip RFID tags. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Fabe]

... why would you want a commlink in your gun? And all-4 still is mediocre at best.

According to their Radio ads a Local Hair Salon sells curling irons with a built in MP3 player and thats here in the real world so someone wanting aa comlink in a gun isn't that far fetched.

[Sengir]

*Shrug* And? I still see no issues with this... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

The new Swiss Army Knife comes with 12 features, including a left-handed screwdriver, spare bubbles for spirit levels (in three different sizes), a null modem, and a detachable sky hook. Not included is a blade, because if you design something with all those gizmos, who needs such a normal feature?

If a gun is tricked out with all sorts of electronic gear, something mundane like a smartgun should be expected. And if said gun has a Safe Target System, it's even required by the rules.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

The new Swiss Army Knife comes with 12 features, including a left-handed screwdriver, spare bubbles for spirit levels (in three different sizes), a null modem, and a detachable sky hook. Not included is a blade, because if you design something with all those gizmos, who needs such a normal feature?

If a gun is tricked out with all sorts of electronic gear, something mundane like a smartgun should be expected. And if said gun has a Safe Target System, it's even required by the rules.

I Like those Spare Spirit Bubbles... And some Skyline is also a must...

And actually, a Safe Target System Requires a Smartgun System to FUNCTION, does not have to have one to be installed. It will just be uselsee without a Smartgun System of some sort, whether it be a Modification after market, or an Accessory after Market. Or you can, you know, just spend the money to have an internal one at purchase.

No worries though... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

The new Swiss Army Knife comes with 12 features, including a left-handed screwdriver, spare bubbles for spirit levels (in three different sizes), a null modem, and a detachable sky hook. Not included is a blade, because if you design something with all those gizmos, who needs such a normal feature?

Actually the knife was not included for safety reasons. Those things are sharp!

[hermit]

According to their Radio ads a Local Hair Salon sells curling irons with a built in MP3 player and thats here in the real world so someone wanting aa comlink in a gun isn't that far fetched.

That's rather retarded. Even moreso because every normal person plays their music on their smartphone these days.

And actually, a Safe Target System Requires a Smartgun System to FUNCTION, does not have to have one to be installed. It will just be uselsee without a Smartgun System of some sort, whether it be a Modification after market, or an Accessory after Market. Or you can, you know, just spend the money to have an internal one at purchase.

The new CraplackMotors M2000 comes with HUD, night vision, an entertainment suite, an onboard supercomputer, and a body made of advanced nanoceramics that can be set to several levels of transparency. An engine and wheels have to be installed aftermarket though.

It just makes no sense as is, by the rules.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

That's rather retarded. Even moreso because every normal person plays their music on their smartphone these days.

And yet, I am sure that you can find people that use the above piece of technology. Besides, I consider myself normal, and yet, I do not play music on a Smartphone. I do not even OWN a Smartphone. Of course, I do not even own a Cellphone at all (No one needs to reach me 24/7/365). I play my music on my computer or my stereo.

The new CraplackMotors M2000 comes with HUD, night vision, an entertainment suite, an onboard supercomputer, and a body made of advanced nanoceramics that can be set to several levels of transparency. An engine and wheels have to be installed aftermarket though.

It just makes no sense as is, by the rules.

See, I disagree with this completely... There are some crazy marketing schemes out there, and the inclusion of electronics in a gun that does not have a Smartgun System is not the craziest. See the above example. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hermit]

See, I disagree with this completely... There are some crazy marketing schemes out there, and the inclusion of electronics in a gun that does not have a Smartgun System is not the craziest. See the above example. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What? The car without engine and wheels?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

What? The car without engine and wheels?

Nope, the "it just makes no sense as is, by the rules" statement that you used.

Your example is indeed ludicrous (unless you are buying the parts and building the car yourself)... but electronics in weapons that need additional electronics to be fully functional is not that big of a deal. As I indicated, the Curling Iron with the MP3 Player is just as entertaining.

Ultimately, if you look at that weapon and think... "well that is just stupid" you are not going to purchase it. Some people may say, WOW, for 700 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) (Don't actually know the price of the gun we are discussing, just an example) more I can get a fully functional Smartgun System with all the bells and whistles, and it is even cheaper than if I had bought all of those systems piecemeal.

That is why it is an option and not a requirement. You don't like the equipment, don't purchase it. Some one else may just think that it is the Bee's Knees. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Yerameyahu]

I'd just like to point out that, no, you're not normal, Tymeaus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Normal people have cell phones, luddite.

I do think Safe Target requires Smartgun, so I dunno what's going on there. Otherwise, it's not a problem that smartgun is an optional upgrade.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I'd just like to point out that, no, you're not normal, Tymeaus. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Normal people have cell phones, luddite.

Hey, I enjoy most of the Modern Conveniences of the world. I just hate Cell Phones. They are intrusive. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If people want to get hold of me, they have my Work Phone and my Home Phone. If I do not pick up, then I did not want to talk to them at that time, or I was unavailable. Cell Phones are just annoying, Texting even more so... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[hermit]

As I indicated, the Curling Iron with the MP3 Player is just as entertaining.

Actually, the weapon with safe firing and no smartlink is like a curling iron with the capacity to play MP3, but neither internal memory nor a slot to put in a common memory chip or usb stick. In other words, while it clearly can play MP3s, it never will because it will never come in contact with one.

It contains a functionality that, as is, is useless. you can, presumably, listen to MP3s on your curling iron player thing if you're so inclined, so while it's a bizarre functionality, it at least is one that you can actually use. A better hyerbole example might be a car that has top-notch, functional and best quality cruise control, autopilot and all kinds of safety assistants, but neither engine nor wheels.

[Mäx]

And if said gun has a Safe Target System, it's even required by the rules.

No it's not

Safe Target System: The Safe Target system prevents a character
from accidentally shooting at “friendly” targets. The basic
system consists of modifications to the weapon’s firing mechanism
and a microcomputer subscribed to the weapon’s PAN connection.
The microcomputer constantly scans for a programmed RFID or
PAN profile and determines the relative proximity and location of
the tags that fit into this profile. If the gun is pointed at or within
a radius of 1 meter of a target marked as ”safe,” the system engages
the gun’s safety and prevents or holds fire. If the gun is pointed
away from the safe target, the safety is automatically disengaged.
Note that this feature also prevents the weapon from shooting if
anything marked as safe is in front or behind of the actual target.
Instead of a certain profile, the Safe Target system can be programmed
with the GPS data of a fixed location where the weapon
can fire or cannot be fired (for example, a weapon that can only be
fired on Council Island or another that cannot be fired within a special
building). The basic system can also be upgraded to accept more
profiles or GPS data or with special image recognition routines. To
include the image recognizing add-on, the weapon must either be
smartlinked or have a guncam modification. The image recognition
software can be either programmed with general information (for
example, preventing the weapon from firing at anybody wearing a
Knight Errant uniform) or the biometric features of a single person.
It can also be upgraded to accept more “safe images.”
The Safe Target system can be turned on and off with a Simple
Action, while changing the programmed prof les of a Safe Target
system requires an Admin account (see Account Privileges p. 216,

The gun only needs to be a smartlinked if you want to add Safe target system as a modification, god only knows why.

Also i have to say it's damm hilarious to see all of you spouting allkinds of hyperbole and bitch about writers not knowing their own rules, witch you yourself have no clue about (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)