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[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

The point is by Shadowrun magic methodology you CANNOT just affect part of a drone, you have to affect the whole thing or nothing.

Magic doesn't affect "sensors". It affects "aura". The drone has one aura. Magic can only affect entire auras, not just one piece at a time.

-k

But you are not targeting the Drone or its component pieces. That is where you are going off the rails. You are setting up an effect that the Drone perceives WITH its sensors. Completely different thing entirely.

[StevenAngier]

But you are not targeting the Drone or its component pieces. That is where you are going off the rails. You are setting up an effect that the Drone perceives WITH its sensors. Completely different thing entirely.

Exactly. The OR is not overcome by a direct effort of the caster. The OR in this case represents the ability of the sensors to pierce through the illusion or it's ability to not being affected by it.

[Tanegar]

To my knowledge, there is nothing in SR4A that states or implies that it is possible to affect part of something but not the whole with magic, either directly or indirectly. If I were the GM, I would rule that the drone's OR5 "subsumes" the sensor's OR3 on the grounds that the sensor(s) is/are an integral part of the drone.

[StevenAngier]

To my knowledge, there is nothing in SR4A that states or implies that it is possible to affect part of something but not the whole with magic, either directly or indirectly. If I were the GM, I would rule that the drone's OR5 "subsumes" the sensor's OR3 on the grounds that the sensor(s) is/are an integral part of the drone.

Which in return means anybody just needs to buy the new VEILPIERCER drone which is nothing else than a camera, a selfadjusting helmet and a small screen to employ a HUD with a pilot soft to control the camera and adjust the helmet. Since its a drone it's camera would automatically be OR 5 thus allowing the wearer to greatly improve his ability to peirce any illusion. Wouldn't it be awesome? No more illusions for anybody!

No, Sensors are not integral. The sensor array is - while the different sensors installed on it are exchangeable. As these sensors yet are the part to fool (remember, you do NOT fool the pilot you fool it's sensors) it's their OR to overcome, not that of the drone itself.

That's the same with things you wear on your character. Those are individually targetable. As are sensors (NOT the sensor array itself!) on a drone.

[Dakka Dakka]

Which in return means anybody just needs to buy the new VEILPIERCER drone which is nothing else than a camera, a selfadjusting helmet and a small screen to employ a HUD with a pilot soft to control the camera and adjust the helmet. Since its a drone it's camera would automatically be OR 5 thus allowing the wearer to greatly improve his ability to peirce any illusion. Wouldn't it be awesome? No more illusions for anybody!

No, Sensors are not integral. The sensor array is - while the different sensors installed on it are exchangeable. As these sensors yet are the part to fool (remember, you do NOT fool the pilot you fool it's sensors) it's their OR to overcome, not that of the drone itself.

That's the same with things you wear on your character. Those are individually targetable. As are sensors (NOT the sensor array itself!) on a drone.

Yes OR does not make much sense. For example It is easier to have a Rock (OR 1) burst into flames than Gasoline (OR 2) with the Ignite spell. The only suitable explanation is "It's Magic!" The same goes for the inability to affect parts of a whole.

BTW to qualify as a drone it has to be a vehicle and has to be riggable.

[Aria]

BTW to qualify as a drone it has to be a vehicle and has to be riggable.

Unless it's a gun with the pilot and mobility mod or a drone hand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Dakka Dakka]

How are those not vehicles or riggable?

[Yerameyahu]

Well, the hand isn't when it's not detached. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I agree that the drone uses its OR 3 (whatever) sensors to try to beat the independent illusion effect. It makes as much sense as we can hope for with the OR rules.

[StevenAngier]

Yes OR does not make much sense. For example It is easier to have a Rock (OR 1) burst into flames than Gasoline (OR 2) with the Ignite spell. The only suitable explanation is "It's Magic!" The same goes for the inability to affect parts of a whole.

BTW to qualify as a drone it has to be a vehicle and has to be riggable.

Give it a rigger adaption and foldable legs (in fact those would the drone use to adjust it's position on the wearers head) et voila.