 Forthcoming Dragon Division?, As mentioned in Spy Games |
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 Jun 24 2011, 05:35 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 617 Joined: 28-May 03 From: Orlando Member No.: 4,644  |
In the shadow talk thoughout Spy Games, Frosty makes several comments on GW and Lofwyr about an upcomming dragon divide or issue. Is the whole survival of the fittest rearing its head again? I seem to be missing something going on here. Can anyone fill me in?
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Jun 26 2011, 03:47 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 213 Joined: 19-August 10 Member No.: 18,949 |
Dang, with that title I was hoping for a military-type dragon division. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/read.gif)
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Jun 26 2011, 04:02 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Dragon Dragoons?
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Jun 26 2011, 04:38 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,771 |
I figure it is either one of two things.
Lofwyr has gained a lot of power back since Crash 2.0 for saving Europe's matrix bacon. He may be vieing for his old position once more. So yeah just like survival. The other idea I have is that the dragons are about to induct new greats and that those new Great Dragons could shift the balance of power. The third outlier is mating season and hot hot lizard sex. |
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Jun 26 2011, 04:41 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
There's no love lost between the greats. Theres a history of bad blood but also a code of conduct that has been ignored on several occasions. It seems to be the only time a majority will join forces for a short term alliance. The big D stirred them on several occasions. Ghostwalker seems to have caused a serious ruckus.
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Jun 26 2011, 04:44 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,755 Joined: 5-September 06 From: UCAS Member No.: 9,313 |
QUOTE (Gerzel @ Jun 26 2011, 12:38 AM)  The third outlier is mating season and hot hot lizard sex. Some hot Cloaca on Cloaca action! :/ |
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Jun 26 2011, 05:28 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 26 2011, 06:02 AM) Dragon Dragoons? Dragon air cav. |
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Jun 26 2011, 06:10 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 825 Joined: 21-October 08 Member No.: 16,538 |
QUOTE (Gerzel @ Jun 26 2011, 04:38 AM) I figure it is either one of two things. Lofwyr has gained a lot of power back since Crash 2.0 for saving Europe's matrix bacon. He may be vieing for his old position once more. So yeah just like survival. The other idea I have is that the dragons are about to induct new greats and that those new Great Dragons could shift the balance of power. The third outlier is mating season and hot hot lizard sex. Maasaru attained GD status in the 6th world and if there was an induction ceremony, it was damn quiet. |
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Jun 26 2011, 07:21 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Jun 26 2011, 12:28 AM) Dragon air cav. Dragon WMDs.... Wait a moment, Dragons *ARE* WMDs! Just ask the people of Tehran. ... Oops, too late. |
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Jun 26 2011, 10:36 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,759 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 |
My best bet would be War!, page 30-31.
On January 2073, the Great Dragon Sirrurg led an attack on an Aztechnology military base with a strong awakened and metahuman forces, killing about 5'000 soldiers. As the battle ended, Sirrurg used magic to kill every living people in the city, about 10'000 people more, with a single spell. Frosty links this to Great Dragons' ability to manipulate fate, but the fact that Sirrurg first dealt Aztechnology troops with more classical means make me suggest the final speel could have been powered with heavy blood magic. Following these events, there were also rumors Hestaby wanted to deliver a speech to the United Nations condemning Sirrurg action. According to Frosty, again, this is big news because dragons normally never discuss draconic matters in front of metahumans. Her conclusion: "If Hestaby goes to the UN, it will be unprecedented. It could also create a deep division amongst the Great Dragons, between those that lean pro-metahuman and those are staunchly anti-metahuman." |
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Jun 26 2011, 04:07 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Nath @ Jun 26 2011, 05:36 AM) Her conclusion: "If Hestaby goes to the UN, it will be unprecedented. It could also create a deep division amongst the Great Dragons, between those that lean pro-metahuman and those are staunchly anti-metahuman." First off, wait, War! was good for something? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Secondly, I thought "Pro-Metahuman" when it came to Dragons is the idea that you don't need to season the uppity worm-like life form in ketchup before eating it? |
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Jun 26 2011, 06:43 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,090 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
I remember reading somewhere (Corp Guide would be an obvious guess) about SK stocking up on liquid assets. Might be a red herring or related to something else, or maybe big L is topping up his wartime supplies...
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Jun 27 2011, 11:28 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 372 Joined: 2-March 10 Member No.: 18,227 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Jun 26 2011, 01:43 PM) I remember reading somewhere (Corp Guide would be an obvious guess) about SK stocking up on liquid assets. Might be a red herring or related to something else, or maybe big L is topping up his wartime supplies... I'm sure they mean BBQ sauce. |
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Jun 27 2011, 11:43 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,946 Joined: 1-June 09 From: Omaha Member No.: 17,234 |
QUOTE (Nath @ Jun 26 2011, 05:36 AM) My best bet would be War!, page 30-31. On January 2073, the Great Dragon Sirrurg led an attack on an Aztechnology military base with a strong awakened and metahuman forces, killing about 5'000 soldiers. As the battle ended, Sirrurg used magic to kill every living people in the city, about 10'000 people more, with a single spell. Frosty links this to Great Dragons' ability to manipulate fate, but the fact that Sirrurg first dealt Aztechnology troops with more classical means make me suggest the final speel could have been powered with heavy blood magic. Following these events, there were also rumors Hestaby wanted to deliver a speech to the United Nations condemning Sirrurg action. According to Frosty, again, this is big news because dragons normally never discuss draconic matters in front of metahumans. Her conclusion: "If Hestaby goes to the UN, it will be unprecedented. It could also create a deep division amongst the Great Dragons, between those that lean pro-metahuman and those are staunchly anti-metahuman." Oh boy, Great Dragons signlehandedly torching military bases, I love how this is a game about magic and tech where the magic is always superior. One more thing to ignore about that book I suppose. |
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Jun 27 2011, 12:13 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jun 27 2011, 08:43 AM) Oh boy, Great Dragons signlehandedly torching military bases, I love how this is a game about magic and tech where the magic is always superior. One more thing to ignore about that book I suppose. Actually it wasn't singlehandedly, Sirrurg was with a lot of drakes, dracoforms, spirits, sapient critters, etc, etc, etc. And considering the fact that a Great Dragon was hit once by an orbital laser AND SURVIVED, I don't see what is the problem of Dragons attacking military bases and surviving. |
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Jun 27 2011, 01:32 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,090 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Nifft @ Jun 27 2011, 11:28 AM) I'm sure they mean BBQ sauce. Or maybe beer - he's a German dragon, after all (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) @Shinobi: Alamais survived, but it's not like he shrugged off the blow and continued what he was doing. GDs are very much mortal if someone can land a blow, and they know it - which also means that if one of them decides to step openly into the fray, he will have planned for eventualities like air defence or a local wizard congress. |
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Jun 27 2011, 01:52 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Prime Mover @ Jun 26 2011, 12:44 AM) Some hot Cloaca on Cloaca action! :/ Ahem. Reptiles still have the requisite parts that us mammals are familiar with. It's not like watching birds do it (unless you're watching ducks, who are rather well endowed). |
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Jun 27 2011, 02:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 584 Joined: 15-April 06 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 8,466 |
QUOTE (LurkerOutThere @ Jun 27 2011, 07:43 AM) Oh boy, Great Dragons signlehandedly torching military bases, I love how this is a game about magic and tech where the magic is always superior. One more thing to ignore about that book I suppose. I guess Goblinization, the appearance of Dragons, the Great Ghost Dance, the complete balkanization of the world as we know it, the fact that a group without magic has always been screwed when fighting those with, etc. etc. etc. This has been a common theme across all editions, if you don't like it change it at your table. |
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Jun 27 2011, 02:40 PM
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Still I'd love to see ONCE the inhabitants of the 6th world show those comming over from the 4th to go bath themselves in fear induced digestive byproducts. Like a Great Dragon or Immortal Elf being struck by a Thor and NOT surviving it while having some bad ass veteran colonel (no, not Jack O'Neill, more like the General from Hulk) standing in front of the explosion, his arms folding, nodding and saying something like "this is how WE deal with fate, son".
Dunno but I prefer to stay away from the whole "we are the real players" thing those GD and IEs are running and pretend to say that this is none of my business. |
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Jun 27 2011, 02:47 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (StevenAngier @ Jun 27 2011, 10:40 AM) Still I'd love to see ONCE the inhabitants of the 6th world show those comming over from the 4th to go bath themselves in fear induced digestive byproducts. Like a Great Dragon or Immortal Elf being struck by a Thor and NOT surviving it while having some bad ass veteran colonel (no, not Jack O'Neill, more like the General from Hulk) standing in front of the explosion, his arms folding, nodding and saying something like "this is how WE deal with fate, son". The problem is, if they do it once, why would they stop? If the other greats push back and win, we just end up where we were before: tyranny of magic over tech. If they don't, then tech assumes the upper hand, wipes out all the Big Neutrals, and we're left with Cyberpunk 2020. |
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Jun 27 2011, 03:01 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
General "Thunderbolt" Ross? The Red Hulk?
And a GD being actually mortally hit by a Thorshot? That's a level of Tactical Geni- . . . CREEEEEED! |
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Jun 27 2011, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jun 27 2011, 04:47 PM) The problem is, if they do it once, why would they stop? If the other greats push back and win, we just end up where we were before: tyranny of magic over tech. If they don't, then tech assumes the upper hand, wipes out all the Big Neutrals, and we're left with Cyberpunk 2020. We already have a sort of tyranny. GDs and IEs are effectively untouchable as they tend to retaliate in a rather draconic fashion thus they are free to do whatever pleases them. The only thing barring them from ToWoDo is the fact that they have an even more uneasy time with one another. But there IS room for a powershift and we all know that a dramaturgical imperative could easily achieve that. Heck it wouldn't even attack the suspend of disbelief as this is much MORE believable than a bunch of maniac halfgods not willing to wipe out the vermin to have much more room for their own affairs. |
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Jun 27 2011, 03:21 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Well, dragons acting draconian i can get . . the IE's though? O.o
When/how have they ever in the 6th World? o.O |
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Jun 27 2011, 03:56 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
It appears to me that for the most part, magic is able to perform some impressive feats of shock and awe. But so far we have not seen a primarily magical force maintain a sustained campaign against a entrenched force.
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Jun 27 2011, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jun 27 2011, 05:21 PM) Well, dragons acting draconian i can get . . the IE's though? O.o When/how have they ever in the 6th World? o.O You mean besides the oppression in Tir Tairngire and the coup d'etat that vanquished Ireland from the maps to install a fey state? |
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