Starting character with 35/29 armor (no encumbrance) Options

[Shaikujin]

Hm... possibly the way to go is the MP-Laser III? 9P / -half. But you would need to have an aimed sniper shot with spotting extra-dice, tac-net etc.

Say you throw out 10 hits (maybe edged) That is straight up 23 P against half impact armor.

Oh: also don't forget to insulate, shield etc. your armor when you are at it. 30 armor is better if it is 30 armor against anything *g*.

The really scary weapon is Ares Screech Sonic Beam Rifle. "Regular armor does not apply".

[Mäx]

Dump the SWAT armour which is only 12/10 (or 13/11 with gel packs) and requires restricted quality.

Get a full Steampunk suit (which can be combined)-

3/3 Overcoat
2/2 Vest
1/1 Slacks
1/1 Shirt


Add Delta-amyloid 3/1 (from Arsenal) to each piece.
Next add Gel packs 1/1 to each (it'll make the suit bulky, but bulky steampunk clothes aren't really that odd).

7/5 Overcoat
6/4 Vest
5/3 Slacks
5/3 Shirt

That'll give 23/15. Plus you can still add FFA, PPP, shield and helmet.

Good luck finding a GM who allows shenanigans like that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Hm... possibly the way to go is the MP-Laser III? 9P / -half.

Dont you mean Ares Heavy MP Laser, MP-Laser III is only 7P / -half .
in any case Ares Thunderstruck Gauss Rifle is a much better choise, its 9P / -half-4 and over 50% cheaper then the Heavy MP-Laser.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I was just thinking this the other day. Has anyone considered making it 100% dependent on strength?

Having carried a crapton of combat gear (Deuce gear, Body Armor, etc) in the Corps, Body IS involved... Strength + Body would be the way to go, at least in my mind, though I really do not have that many issues with 2xBody.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Ahh, but is walking around in SWAT armour any more stylish? At least steampunk is designer clothing.

Besides, rule-wise, style can be fixed simply by a fashion spell.

I know... Steampunk is Classier than SWAT Armor, But so much less stylish than Mortimer or Zoe. *Shrug*

[Aku]

Neither has ever been incompatible with Troll-Dermal-Plates . .
Wether you are adding more plates or toughening up the skin beneath, you always got the benefits of both . .

huh that seems slightly wrong to me...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Oh... and just adding: you might be able to enhance your armor with plates quickened with a "Harden" spell. (Also you can enhance your armor with the standard spell... and barriers). Which of course prompts me to say: you are a body/Strength troll: Carry your own barrier. Not just a shield, but a full fence with armored plates or something. Of course you can't fight anymore... but ah hell.

My Troll was always partial to using the Bulkhead Door from a Navy Cruiser as a Shield... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Shaikujin]

Why do i remember dermal plating and troll natural armor not stacking, or is that orthoskin?

Neither has ever been incompatible with Troll-Dermal-Plates . .
Wether you are adding more plates or toughening up the skin beneath, you always got the benefits of both . .

huh that seems slightly wrong to me...

Well, Dermal plating is incompatible with Orthoskin.

But either one is compatible with a Troll's dermal deposits and the dermal deposit metagenic quality in RC.

[Shaikujin]

I know... Steampunk is Classier than SWAT Armor, But so much less stylish than Mortimer or Zoe. *Shrug*

True that.

The steampunk line has 1 extra piece and is better for min-maxing.
Personally, I prefer Synergist. I like clean simple styles. Plus it has a Longcoat as part of it's ensemble.

[DireRadiant]

This troll is an excellent candidate for a Vessel for my Possession spirits.

[suoq]

In 2012, they come in 3 types of thickness, 3mm, 4 mm and 6 mm - http://www.d3o.com/d3o_products/sheet-plain/

Looking at actual protective products, they tend to be 11mm (just under 1/2 inch thick) http://www.d3o.com/category/markets/personal-protection/

In 2067, probably thinner. Or just as thick, but stronger.

At 2 gelpacks per point of body, how thin do you expect it to be?

[KCKitsune]

Or if you're a mage with the Fashion spell, choose whichever line is cheaper and then use Fashion to change it to what you want.

[Shaikujin]

Looking at actual protective products, they tend to be 11mm (just under 1/2 inch thick) http://www.d3o.com/category/markets/personal-protection/

Those 3DO products are entirely shaped elbow and knee guards. I'm guessing they had to make it thicker so that it it can retain the formed shapes.

But in the SR4 world, the gel packs are used to cover or line an existing piece of the base armour to add an extra level of protection. I'd say it's more logical to use the 3-5mm and more flexible sheets.

At 2 gelpacks per point of body, how thin do you expect it to be?

Where did the 2 gelpacks per point of body rule come from?

As to how much thinner it can get in 50 years' time - in WW II, bulletproof glass was around 100mm to 120mm thick. Due to advancements in technological and materials, modern day bullet proof glass is around 20mm thick.

It is possible that these things can be made thinner than the 3mm sheets they are making now, or if not thinner, then stronger.

[eyeBliss]

Does it seem like a horrible omission to anyone else that gel-packs, carbon-boron, etc. become more effective the smaller the piece of armor they are installed on? Doesn't it seem more reasonable to apply the bonus from any of the above options once to the entire armor ensemble rather than to individual pieces? Thats the way I would rule it anyway...

[Stahlseele]

huh that seems slightly wrong to me...

Why?
See here:

Neither has ever been incompatible with Troll-Dermal-Plates . .
Wether you are adding more plates or toughening up the skin beneath, you always got the benefits of both . .


huh that seems slightly wrong to me...



Well, Dermal plating is incompatible with Orthoskin.

But either one is compatible with a Troll's dermal deposits and the dermal deposit metagenic quality in RC.

Cyber and Bioware Versions of stuff that do the same things have usually been incompatible or not additive at least.
But everything always was completely compatible with anything you got naturally . .

[Aku]

Why?
See here:

Cyber and Bioware Versions of stuff that do the same things have usually been incompatible or not additive at least.
But everything always was completely compatible with anything you got naturally . .

it seems wrong because, well troll skin and orthoskin seem to be the same thing, to me.

[Stahlseele]

Nope, if anything, Troll Skin is the same as Dermal Armor.
Orthoskin functioned differently back then.

[Christian Lafay]

Or if you're a mage with the Fashion spell, choose whichever line is cheaper and then use Fashion to change it to what you want.

So, min-max and still look suave. Frightening.

[suoq]

Where did the 2 gelpacks per point of body rule come from?

Gel packs (unless I'm missing a rule) like most pieces of armor, count for encumbrance. Since the gel packs are (if I recall correctly) 1/1, than each pair of gelpacks takes 1 body worth of encumbrance.

[kerbarian]

Does it seem like a horrible omission to anyone else that gel-packs, carbon-boron, etc. become more effective the smaller the piece of armor they are installed on? Doesn't it seem more reasonable to apply the bonus from any of the above options once to the entire armor ensemble rather than to individual pieces? Thats the way I would rule it anyway...

Yeah, that's how I'd rule it also. Any armor modification that can be applied to an entire suit of armor or clothing only applies once per character, even if you're wearing your armor in 3 layers of 5 pieces each.

If you want to be literal about things, one way of supporting that interpretation is that the places that tell you to ignore the normal armor stacking rules tell you to do so for certain types of armor pieces, not those armor pieces plus their modifications. So if you're wearing an Armor Jacket with Gel Packs (8/6 + 1/1) and Form-Fitting full body suit with Gel Packs (6/2 + 1/1), you only take the highest-rated piece of armor as usual (Jacket at 9/7) and then add the FFBA per its special rule (+6/+2) but ignore its modifications, since Gel Packs don't have an exception to the "armor doesn't stack" rule.

It's a bit of a stretch, and the simplest rules interpretation does favor being able to wear 7 layers of Gel Packs, but I think this is less of a rules stretch than 7 layers of Gel Packs are as a plausibility stretch (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) .

[Bigity]

I'd allow the character from the OP. Then the first run would require crossing a body of water without a boat big enough to support that much weight. Of course it would mostly be stolen when they get back across.


Better yet, a troll ganger would be wearing it all and be upset the team is crossing his turf.

[Christian Lafay]

I'd allow the character from the OP. Then the first run would require crossing a body of water without a boat big enough to support that much weight. Of course it would mostly be stolen when they get back across.


Better yet, a troll ganger would be wearing it all and be upset the team is crossing his turf.

Rule -1, What ever you can make for your character the GM can xerox for a dozen NPCs.

[Mäx]

I'd allow the character from the OP. Then the first run would require crossing a body of water without a boat big enough to support that much weight. Of course it would mostly be stolen when they get back across.

So you would aprove a character concept and then then make up a contrived situation to steal away the characters stuff?
You sir are what is generally called an ass-hole-GM.

[suoq]

So you would aprove a character concept and then then make up a contrived situation to steal away the characters stuff?
You sir are what is generally called an ass-hole-GM.

I'd be happy to sits at Bigity's table. I likes "ass-hole-GM"s. They drive away all the players I didn't want to play with. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/love.gif)

[Bigity]

So you would aprove a character concept and then then make up a contrived situation to steal away the characters stuff?
You sir are what is generally called an ass-hole-GM.

Or maybe it was tongue-in-cheek. But I think we now know what kind of forumer you are.


I think it would be an effective way to get the point across personally. Even if it was all recovered. Then you probably don't have to worry about the same problem with a different flavor next time around.

[Glyph]

I don't generally have a problem with stacking of things meant to be stacked, like FFBA or PPP. I would draw the line, though, at B.S. like getting mods like gel packs to piecemeal armor, or trying to stack multiple suits of FFBA.