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[Mäx]

As far as the Obsolescent and similar traits are concerned, it not the Trait itself which ticks me off, but the fact that it has often been accompanied by yet another list of subjectively useless vintage equipment. So if there's useful stuff inside, it's a pleasant surprise.

I know usefulness of stuff is very subjective, but IMO losts of that vintage stuff is very good, some being even better then newer stuff.

Also as my last post said, there's exactly one vehicle in this that has Obsolescent Trait.

[CanRay]

Still no cargo capacity rules. <sigh>
-k

I doubt we'll see it in a PDF Document if we see it at all.

[hermit]

Reading it and prepping a review, but there is one thing I just have to share beforehand:

> They can also serve as a way out of Bogotá, if you have the connections. There isn’t much of the way in amenities, so remember your own bucket.
> Hard Exit

"They" is the Cartel Courier Submarine. Submarine. As in, ship that travels under water. In an ocean.

WHAT.

So now, Bogotá not only lies in the jungle and has moved out of the Andes somehow, it also is a sea port? Seriously, do your research people. This is dragging down my opinion of what is otherwise the best stuff supplement yet.

[Stahlseele]

I'm a peaceful drunk. I rant and rave easier, more and better when sober. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

get more drunk, get a hangover, get cranky, THEN rant and rave ^^

[Fatum]

Awesome art.
Now, I just wonder how many books will it take Shadowrun to get the name of Krasnoe Sormovo shipyard right, as well as learning to differentiate Komsomolsk (-na-Amure, I presume, is it even Russian yet?) and Nizhny Novgorod...

[hermit]

Okay, review time.

The book is laid out like the previous books of this kind have been - one item a page, like the gearbooks of old, lots of shadowtalk. I like that format. It's also full colour again, which I also support.

The art is very good throughout the book. Kudos to the artists. Also, kudos on the guy who does the photomanips for making photomanips look good, I just now realised the Tiger in Unfriendly Skies probably is one too. The art usually fits the vehicles well, though i'd have prefered a more dashing, pimped design for the Zeppelinwerke yacht. But whatever, it blends together nicely and transports a consistent look and atmosphere, something I missed with, say, Gun Haven. It's a nice mix, art-wise, of coloured old art and new stuff. Especially appreciated the Riverine from a new perspective that yet looks like a Riverine in old art did.

The content also is nice. Lots of familiar names, which is what SR4 so far has lacked, and nearly everything feels relevant. From the house boat (which I will use as a mobile hdeout, it's just too tempting) to the jetski to the yachts and even the freighters and warships, this is stuff runners and related characters have a high chance of getting n contact with. No nuke sats, no highly experimental aerosub carriers straight from a bizarre Ace Combat installation, just bread-and-butter vehicles. The shadowtalk also often offers ideas for using these in a campaign, from the scooters to the high-sea luxury sailing yachts. Well done.

The stats check out too most of the time (issues with the general idea of mega damage aside, which don't belong here). No overly noticeable blunders, but that's probably better left to better rules lawyers than myself. I did wonder, though, if not some vehicles that are said to be out of production for years other than the Watersport should have gotten the obsolescent trait, and have been missing some of the depicted weapons with the Tiburon and Riverine. But after other PDFs, that's relatively small fry.

Bottom line: A fun PDF that will make you want to take your PC to the sea a bit more. Definitly worth the money.

Just, damnit, read up on geography whenever you mention Bogotá, okay?

8/10 points. This is a good book. Keep up that quality.

[Mäx]

"They" is the Cartel Courier Submarine. Submarine. As in, ship that travels under water. In an ocean.

Not gonna argue about a watercraft being a way out of Bogota, but cartel courier isn't a submarine, it's a semi-submersible boat.

From the house boat (which I will use as a mobile hdeout, it's just too tempting)

I was personally thinking of getting Sendaku Marlin sail boat for that purpose, it's cheaper and has high amenities instead of middle.

[hermit]

Okay, but it's still ill-fitted for mountain passes.

[Stahlseele]

Barrel>Cataract. It works as a way OUT . . if you survive . .

[hermit]

Assuming you find a cateract where it won't simply stick to the ground. Bogota is short on anything like a remotely sufficiently large river anyway.

[CanRay]

Wouldn't know, never been there.

But I'm thinking some water smuggling might be capable in my neck of the woods. Problem is, if you're detected, it's really hard to get away in a boat when you're stuck in a river. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[warrior_allanon]

frag you buggers, drop this one out the cargo hatch the day AFTER i break down and get almost all the pdf only stuff. Came into Fed Ex Kinkos to print them up tonight and find that you have another......frag i feel like Eric Cartman.

[Nebular]

I don't see how you can call the re-release of Arsenal "new". It contains all of the printing errors that were in the original book. Every single item that was fixed in the Sept 2008 errata is missing from this re-release. It's the old book with a new cover and the page references changed from SR4 to SR4A.

[Gerzel]

Reading it and prepping a review, but there is one thing I just have to share beforehand:


"They" is the Cartel Courier Submarine. Submarine. As in, ship that travels under water. In an ocean.

WHAT.

So now, Bogotá not only lies in the jungle and has moved out of the Andes somehow, it also is a sea port? Seriously, do your research people. This is dragging down my opinion of what is otherwise the best stuff supplement yet.

No they got the geography right. You'll be using that bucket!

[Gerzel]

It looks interesting but I'll have to hold off.

My group is currently running in Denver and there just isn't much call for watercraft there.

[Sengir]

I don't see how you can call the re-release of Arsenal "new". It contains all of the printing errors that were in the original book. Every single item that was fixed in the Sept 2008 errata is missing from this re-release. It's the old book with a new cover and the page references changed from SR4 to SR4A.

So Arsenal got de-errataed like the new printing of Street Magic?

[hermit]

Looks like.

[Sengir]

Comparing p.3 of the preview with the changes in the official errata...yes, it is. What the fuck, just when you think CGL is getting things back on track again.

[Stahlseele]

*pats german pegasus books with included errata*

[hobgoblin]

So Arsenal got de-errataed like the new printing of Street Magic?

Makes me wonder if someone did not leave all their files behind when exiting the company.

[Sengir]

*pats german pegasus books with included errata*

Just wait for the next step of CGL's great plan: Secret goon squads will seek out each and every owner of a hardcopy containing that which cannot be and erase it - as well as any witnesses.
To correct is to doubt the forseen fate
Doubt is the open gate through which slips the most fatal of enemies
Ignorance is strength, Brothers!

[Stahlseele]

Wait . . this means they did not take their corrected version but an even older version?
Their very first printing? And wrapped out new german cover around the Arsenal?

[Sengir]

Wait . . this means they did not take their corrected version but an even older version?
Their very first printing? And wrapped out new german cover around the Arsenal?

This.
In one fell swoop, all blasphemous aberrations were cleansed.

(well, the page references obviously were updated...)

[Nebular]

Yeah, this just seems incredibly stupid. If you put the time, effor, and money into "fixing the typos" (all of the typos from the errata are completely missed), changing page numbers, cover art, getting the printer to do a new run with what is effectively a completely different book, etc., why would you not take the little bit of extra time to incorporate the errata? It's only 2.5 pages of rather simple changes. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect that a new printing of a book to contain the errata that was released more than 2.5 freaking years ago. If you're not going to, why bother?!

[hermit]

Perhaps they wanted to avoid us accusing them of releasing Errata only in a new, printed edition. That's the only somewhat plausible reason I can think of.

The question remains, of course, whether they will release the Errata. I guess not, but I can't even think of a reason for that.