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[Daddy's Litt...]

Is there anywhere in the civilized world where vampires are legal? I was thinking of them setting up in the entertainment industry. Even a 'district' for them, clubs, bars, joy boys and girls (cold flesh) but do not know if any nations support them legally. Of course legal does not stop hunters, groupies wanna bees etc.

[HunterHerne]

Is there anywhere in the civilized world where vampires are legal? I was thinking of them setting up in the entertainment industry. Even a 'district' for them, clubs, bars, joy boys and girls (cold flesh) but do not know if any nations support them legally. Of course legal does not stop hunters, groupies wanna bees etc.

I'm also completely unsure. The only thing I have heard in reference was connected to the Ordo Maximus. I believe it was a Vampire initiatory group/secret society in the UK. But the name escapes me.

Of course, I could be completely wrong.

[LostProxy]

That ghoul nation in Africa. Aren't they ok with fellow infected as long as they aren't the crazy murder everyone and sort them out later type?

[Daddy's Litt...]

I was thinking some nice place in say, Toronto, Vancouver, Belgium.

[Starmage21]

IIRC PCC will issue SINs to the infected.

[Nath]

Running Wild lists Amazonia, Asamando, Aztlan, California, Czechia, Basque Country, France, Philippines, Salish-Shidhe and Yakut as "infected-friendly", whatever that means.

And Belgium no longer exists in SR : Wallonia joined France, Flanders joined the Netherlands, and Brussels remains as an autonomous city.

[Traul]

Nothing in Romania?

[hermit]

Is there anywhere in the civilized world where vampires are legal? I was thinking of them setting up in the entertainment industry. Even a 'district' for them, clubs, bars, joy boys and girls (cold flesh) but do not know if any nations support them legally. Of course legal does not stop hunters, groupies wanna bees etc.

According to Running Wild that's Amazonia, Aztlan, Asamondo, CalFree, Czech Republic, Euskal Herraia/Basque Country, France, Greece, the SSC, Yakut (Also Evo, Aztechnology and some AA corps). Of course, 'legal' mostly means 'can get a criminal SIN and a tracker so we can watch them die because eating someone's soul is manslaughter', except for maybe Amazonia, Asamondo and to a degree some of the corps (thogh that's conjecture really).

Edit: Ninja'd by Nath.

There was that coven in KaGe who operated a poser gang and a nightclub for food, then there's JetBlack and his gang, and the seeekrit societies like Tamanous and the Ordo. Leipzig has a vibrant goth/vampire poser scene that has some vampires, and the bunches of Nosferati in Germany who run this law firm and a bunch of investment companies. Overall, though, the Vampires in Shadowrun ike their masquerade. Probably for their better, because they aren't as durable as they may think they are. SR's rules are quite deadly.

Nothing in Romania?

It doesn't really exist either, it's a blank spot since Synner's HDD crashed and took his writeup of Eastern Europe with it. Do what you want there. Personally, I'd be inclined to have the place run by vampires. Secretly, of course. Masquerade is a good idea in a world where all it takes is an angry mage with binoculars.

[CanRay]

I was thinking some nice place in say, Toronto, Vancouver, Belgium.

Toronto is a nice place?

...

Sorry, my Northerner is showing.

[Xahn Borealis]

Toronto is a nice place?

That's it! You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!

[HunterHerne]

That's it! You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!

Well, it is better then Montreal, at least...

[CanRay]

Debatable. Montreal might be nicer if it wasn't for the Language Police in their Jackboots.

It's nicer than Quebec City, I'll give Toronto that. And probably just that. (Sorry, a Canadian thing, especially for Northern Ontarians.).

[Neurosis]

That ghoul nation in Africa. Aren't they ok with fellow infected as long as they aren't the crazy murder everyone and sort them out later type?

Shadowrun: always more reasons not to go to Africa.

That would be my number one advice for fledgling runners. Do not, for any reason, go to Africa. Ever. I mean it.

That's it! You cocky cock! You'll pay for your crimes against humanity!

Scott Pilgrim reference, here? whaaaaaaa?

[HunterHerne]

Shadowrun: always more reasons not to go to Africa.

That would be my number one advice for fledgling runners. Do not, for any reason, go to Africa. Ever. I mean it.

Still plenty of reason to want to from Africa (and never wanting to go back).

[Xahn Borealis]

Scott Pilgrim reference, here? whaaaaaaa?

Tell it to the cleaning lady on Monday.

[CanRay]

Shadowrun: always more reasons not to go to Africa.

That would be my number one advice for fledgling runners. Do not, for any reason, go to Africa. Ever. I mean it.

It's not as bad as Quebec. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[hermit]

Shadowrun: always more reasons not to go to Africa.

That would be my number one advice for fledgling runners. Do not, for any reason, go to Africa. Ever. I mean it.

Azania's not so bad as a setting (there's worse parts in the UCAS, not to mention Europe). Besides, I'm kind of tired of the authors in the CGL era painting every African location as a variation of a recent African Hellhole. All race issues/allegations aside, that's just wasting a setting with a lot of potential. You could, for instance, do interesting things with Benin - if you have played Empire: Total War with an Amazon edition gam, you should have a good idea. Or maybe Ethiopia, which has the added bonus of being a hotbed of bizarre iterations of Judaism and Christianity and potential magical hotspots.

You could do quite a lot of things with Africa in Shadowrun. Instead, the entire continent is declared "here be [the correct term is 'people of colour', hermit]s!'. And that's a shame.

[fistandantilus4....]

Thanks for bringing it back to topic hermit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[HunterHerne]

Thanks for bringing it back to topic hermit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

You mean that little light on the horizon that barely registers to the augmented eye?

Seriously, though, yeah, their are plenty of nations that will allow infected to live there, and a few Megas that will pay them, but as with any deseased individual, or someone that is known for violence for any reason, most people generally won't accept them "...in my neighbourhood."

Aztechnology, as someone has mentioned, will employ infected, especially Ghouls and Loup-Garou, but I'm remembering something about them not doing it openly. And how it seemed a little off, since they are trying to appear to be much more humanitarian these days.

[hermit]

Thanks for bringing it back to topic hermit. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

OP got her question answered. Twice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So it's not like I am preventing that.

Why anyone would want to employ Loup-Garou, of all things, is beyond me (even Mutaqua make more sense), but the Infected have been whitewashed, declawed and painted pink in 4E anyway.

since they are trying to appear to be much more humanitarian these days.

Yeah, carpet bombing cities is very humanitarian ...

I would assume people would in general oppose to have raving mad flesh-eating zombie disease spreading monsters for co-workers. Loup-Garou might make decent beastman-style shock trops, but there's hardly any other use for them I can see.

There, back on topic enough? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[CanRay]

Depends, are the areas they're carpet bombing have any SINners broadcasting from their Commlinks?

If not, then it's just urban renewal. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[LostProxy]

I for one love Mother Africa. Maybe it's because you can get away with so much there and it's an easy place to disappear in. Plus it's not Quebec which is always a plus for you and your non metahuman brethren.

[HunterHerne]

OP got her question answered. Twice. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So it's not like I am preventing that.

Why anyone would want to employ Loup-Garou, of all things, is beyond me (even Mutaqua make more sense), but the Infected have been whitewashed, declawed and painted pink in 4E anyway.

I recall somewhere that Loup-Garou are considered a lot like Ghouls. They both transmit their affliction via contact (usually biting), they both tend to transform into less-than-human acting creatures, and they can both retain some cognitive function post transformation. They both also only require an amount of metahuman flesh, not soul-draining essance. The monthly rage the Loup-garou have can be medicated away, and they tend to be relatively sane without it (relative to the big kid on the playground with no idea of right and wrong, mind you...). I've also heard mention of a Loup-garou movement similar to the Ghoul one, though not as far spread, or accepted.

Yeah, carpet bombing cities is very humanitarian ...

I would assume people would in general oppose to have raving mad flesh-eating zombie disease spreading monsters for co-workers. Loup-Garou might make decent beastman-style shock trops, but there's hardly any other use for them I can see.

There, back on topic enough? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Alright, you got me there. I was refering to Aztechnology's public face before Ghost Cartels. They seem to have gone very south very fast on that note. (Or just let the public see the face under the mask, which from what I hear is much more likely- I started playing in 4th edition)

[hermit]

I recall somewhere that Loup-Garou are considered a lot like Ghouls. They both transmit their affliction via contact (usually biting), they both tend to transform into less-than-human acting creatures, and they can both retain some cognitive function post transformation. They both also only require an amount of metahuman flesh, not soul-draining essance. The monthly rage the Loup-garou have can be medicated away, and they tend to be relatively sane without it (relative to the big kid on the playground with no idea of right and wrong, mind you...). I've also heard mention of a Loup-garou movement similar to the Ghoul one, though not as far spread, or accepted.

Yup. And much like with Ghouls, I just cannot see anyone wanting to have them for co-workers. It's pretty bad for AIDS infected, and was much worse in the 80s, and they don't turn you into a zombie mutant and/or try to eat you given half a chance. I just do not buy this sudden cuddlyness with that kind of Infected.

Alright, you got me there. I was refering to Aztechnology's public face before Ghost Cartels

... when they torched Yucatán? Okay, that's 3E, but the Azzis have been playing hardball since ever.

Aztech might be popular and produce a million billion great products, but nobody would think people who propagate bloodsport sport to be humanitarian. Nor is humanitarianism very high in demand in the Shadowrun world, excpet where Horizon is concerned.

[CanRay]

Which makes Horizon even more suspicious than AZT. If that were even possible.