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[Patrick Goodman]

And the last page or so of this discussion is TOTALLY why I thought Infected PCs (of any type) was a Real Bad Idea.

Okay, not TOTALLY, but it sure was one of the biggies.....

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

And the last page or so of this discussion is TOTALLY why I thought Infected PCs (of any type) was a Real Bad Idea.

Okay, not TOTALLY, but it sure was one of the biggies.....

I think that they are ludicrous myself, but there you go.
We don't allow them at our table.

[Sephiroth]

I personally don't have any problem with Infected PC's, but I don't think it's a character option to be taken lightly. You really have to be serious about it if you want to play an Infected, and remember that your character is a monster at heart in more ways than one. Not a "sparkly playboy that sometimes kills people but really it's ok in the end" kind of person. Absolutely not. Ever.

[pbangarth]

Yeah, I think I'm gonna stay out of this for the time being....

Didn't even take a day after this. How quickly we fall.

[pbangarth]

I personally don't have any problem with Infected PC's, but I don't think it's a character option to be taken lightly. You really have to be serious about it if you want to play an Infected, and remember that your character is a monster at heart in more ways than one. Not a "sparkly playboy that sometimes kills people but really it's ok in the end" kind of person. Absolutely not. Ever.

Yeah, it worries me that my 'lost in the wilds' Professor is likely the best buddy on the team to your 'trust no one and eat those you don't trust' Jovan. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Sengir]

It is a Racial Quality, not a Negative Quality... They are different you know... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
As for the availability of Blood. Just costs an extra 30% to your lifestyle. Done.
The fact that you wish to screw over the player, for something you would totally ignore for another, says volumes. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

So disadvantages inherent to races should only matter in games which keep track of the PC's toilet paper supplies? Looks like I can finally build my Naga archer, which sounds better than continuing this discussion...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So disadvantages inherent to races should only matter in games which keep track of the PC's toilet paper supplies? Looks like I can finally build my Naga archer, which sounds better than continuing this discussion...

Nice way to twist my words.

My point is that there are already options to take care of the feeding issues sufferred by Infected. IF you are going to screw over a player for those eating habits (playing an Infected), when there are solutions already present, then you should also Screw over every other player when it comes to eating as well. If the Player forgets to mention that the character is eating, well, they should start suffering penalties for malnutrition.

Sounds pretty dumb, doesn't it? Especially since there are already rules that handle Lifestyle. As I said previously, it is not HamburgerRun, or BloodRun; it is SHADOWRUN. Pay the lifestyle cost and move along. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Sengir]

My point is that there are already options to take care of the feeding issues sufferred by Infected.

All there is is an optional rule to take care of the Dietary Requirement, anything else is your personal house rule.

IF you are going to screw over a player for those eating habits (playing an Infected), when there are solutions already present, then you should also Screw over every other player when it comes to eating as well. If the Player forgets to mention that the character is eating, well, they should start suffering penalties for malnutrition.

The gamemaster should not require a player to make a test when the action is something that the character should be expected to do without difficulty. For example, if a character is driving downtown to buy soymilk and NERPS, no test is necessary.

Buying ordinary food: Trivial, no need to play Rolemaster
Buying food for Infected: Non-trivial unless you have a lot of cash, hence requires roll- or roleplaying. See RC pages 150f, 155f.

[Ascalaphus]

Eh. I'd say that's Middle to High lifestyle. So being a vampire costs money; so what. You could give it an Availability if your lifestyle isn't good enough to afford pig blood with synthetic human flavoring.

How much time to you have for roleplaying with friends? Is beancounting the bloodbags really what you want to spend it on?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

All there is is an optional rule to take care of the Dietary Requirement, anything else is your personal house rule.


The gamemaster should not require a player to make a test when the action is something that the character should be expected to do without difficulty. For example, if a character is driving downtown to buy soymilk and NERPS, no test is necessary.

Buying ordinary food: Trivial, no need to play Rolemaster
Buying food for Infected: Non-trivial unless you have a lot of cash, hence requires roll- or roleplaying. See RC pages 150f, 155f.

Buying Food for Infected is TRIVIAL... Just as trivial as a troll buying food.

Read Your own quote.

The gamemaster should not require a player to make a test when the action is something that the character should be expected to do without difficulty. For example, if a character is driving downtown to buy soymilk and NERPS, no test is necessary.

Getting Food is something ANYONE should be expected to do without Difficulty. It is SO EASY for Infected, in fact, that they provide a solution right in the book for those who do not want to micromanage.

[Patrick Goodman]

Didn't even take a day after this. How quickly we fall.

Yeah, I'm weak. Every now and again I think I should do something about that, but never do.

[HunterHerne]

Yeah, I'm weak.Every now and again I think I should do something about that, but never do.

Sounds like you may need another point in Willpower.

[Sengir]

Buying Food for Infected is TRIVIAL... Just as trivial as a troll buying food.

If that is so, why is there an optional (optional, as in "not part of standard canon") rule for Infected, not for trolls? And why does the average troll put up with ersatz food if real meat is just as easy to obtain?

[Ascalaphus]

If that is so, why is there an optional (optional, as in "not part of standard canon") rule for Infected, not for trolls? And why does the average troll put up with ersatz food if real meat is just as easy to obtain?

But is worrying about what butcher you buy leftover blood from really interesting enough to spend gametime on it?

I'm all for charging Infected a premium on Lifestyle, because that is exactly what Lifestyle is for: to quickly get past the boring stuff and reduce bookkeeping.

[Manunancy]

The lifestyle increas is in my opinion the splest way to deal with the issue, though keep in mind that teh lifestyle is mostly linked with there the character is living. which means there can (and probably will) be some problems when the charcter is out of his familiar turf. A troll ordering half a dozen MegaBurgerMeals won't raise many eyebrows and will find plnety of shops willing to serve him.

Getting things like fresh blood, pounds of raw meat or even weirder foods will be more of a problem, though there's always the 'munch on that guard' option. But goign that route will bring it's own set of problems. The cops might not be very motivated to catch some gonk who trashed a corporate office, but if the medias are harping 'man-eating monster running wild' headlines, they'll get far more nosy. And more likely to shoot first and burn the bodies later, no questions asked.

[Grinder]

Sengir, TJ: stop it.

[Korwin]

I wonder, why nobody mentioned the drug from Running Wild(?).
I suppose there is no Errata, since the german book got the same (uber) drug.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I wonder, why nobody mentioned the drug from Running Wild(?).
I suppose there is no Errata, since the german book got the same (uber) drug.

As I do not own Running Wild, I do not have any idea of what you speak.
What Drug? And, What Does it Do?

[HunterHerne]

As I do not own Running Wild, I do not have any idea of what you speak.
What Drug? And, What Does it Do?

He may mean "Renfield", which is what the HMHVVI types use to create vampire pawns. The creation requires the Vampire to use his own blood, enchanted and with a dose of essance (1 point), and feed it to willing (or unwilling) victims. Once they are addicted (threshold 3, mental and physical), they are depedant on it for essence (as they gain essence loss, Carrier (HMHVVI) and Dietary Requirement (Renfield) upon addiction). The drug gives them 1d6 essence. It also grants +1 to Agility, Intuition, and Strength, Euphoria, Immunity to age, and an initiative pass.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

He may mean "Renfield", which is what the HMHVVI types use to create vampire pawns. The creation requires the Vampire to use his own blood, enchanted and with a dose of essance (1 point), and feed it to willing (or unwilling) victims. Once they are addicted (threshold 3, mental and physical), they are depedant on it for essence (as they gain essence loss, Carrier (HMHVVI) and Dietary Requirement (Renfield) upon addiction). The drug gives them 1d6 essence. It also grants +1 to Agility, Intuition, and Strength, Euphoria, Immunity to age, and an initiative pass.

Hmmmmm... Interesting Indeed.

[Grinder]

He may mean "Renfield", which is what the HMHVVI types use to create vampire pawns. The creation requires the Vampire to use his own blood, enchanted and with a dose of essance (1 point), and feed it to willing (or unwilling) victims. Once they are addicted (threshold 3, mental and physical), they are depedant on it for essence (as they gain essence loss, Carrier (HMHVVI) and Dietary Requirement (Renfield) upon addiction). The drug gives them 1d6 essence. It also grants +1 to Agility, Intuition, and Strength, Euphoria, Immunity to age, and an initiative pass.

Reminds me of Dresden Files, now that I think of it. Hm.

[CanRay]

White Court, Black Court, Red Court, Jade Court... Be interesting to see if there's vampires that aren't HMHVV-Infected... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

White Court, Black Court, Red Court, Jade Court... Be interesting to see if there's vampires that aren't HMHVV-Infected... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Jade Court? Must have missed that one. Which Book?

[CanRay]

Jade Court is only mentioned, in Death Masks, IIRC.

Thing is, this is JIM BUTCHER. He doesn't casually mention anything that isn't going to be some major event later on... And they might not be too happy with someone that has the power and ability to wipe out an ENTIRE group of vampires with a single spell.

[Mardrax]

Jade Court is only mentioned, in Death Masks, IIRC.

Thing is, this is JIM BUTCHER. He doesn't casually mention anything that isn't going to be some major event later on...

Checkov's Court?

Also, the Jade Court is mentioned in one of the Dresden Files RPG books.