So Lofwyr has 35 body, lets do this! Options

[Gerzel]

Ok.


800 bp team of six runners vs Old Gold Snout.

What kindo build would you go with?

Would they stand a chance under a fair GM?

[CanRay]

I'd go with the largest Body Troll you could possibly muster. Even if he doesn't choke on him, the high fat content will do a number on the Great Dragon's arteries.

To prepare for combat, I'd have him smothered in Real Cheese and Boiling Hot Brown Gravy.

[Summerstorm]

A dragon (especially a great dragon ... or the GREATEST dragon *g*) isn't just a reaction value, damage value, and body dice.

Say Lofwyr isn't that prepared to kick ass (Wait, what?), he would still be a over 10.000 year old (active) magician. Massive anchored spells are likely: Armor spells, Detect life, Detect Enemy, Combat sense. He has likely ten or more bound spirits, at least at "terribad" ratings. He has spirit pacts, closed deals with unearthly powers protecting, healing him and helping with drain.
He has got his own fatechanging powers.

I would say: Without any kind of insane weaponry (orbital crap and naval lasers), you can do it in two ways: A prepared bomb, but you need to know where he will be, or get him there somehow, OR massive first strike attack with heavy weapons on drones or something. Too bad that both of these will be detected when he divines the future in the morning (or gets warned by the spirit-world).

Ah, maybe a dragon-killing engineered disease?

[Stahlseele]

You need two characters:
opne hacker that can successfully without detection find out where the dragon will be at what time.
and another highly connected character that can get a thor-shot at that point at that time. dragon paste.

[Summerstorm]

You need two characters:
opne hacker that can successfully without detection find out where the dragon will be at what time.
and another highly connected character that can get a thor-shot at that point at that time. dragon paste.

"Yo, Lofwyr."
"Yeah, spirit of tomorrow?"
"I forsee GRAVE danger when you will leave to inspect the sorrow-factory. Something with metal from the sky and destruction of all life around you"
"Ah, let my mighty brain (and spec-ops, and spies) do its work: WAIT, someone wants to shoot me... with a Thor shot? Time to proactively ruin some lives, i guess"

[Mardrax]

How's about the good old Technomancer/Face, to shake the wyrm's hand in a corporate meeting, pull him into VR and Psychotropic, Cascading Black Hammer him?

For a truly dragonkill almost as cheesy as CanRay's troll.

Stahl: that leaves him plenty Edge to say "die? Me? Naw." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[PoliteMan]

I predict this will dissolve very quickly into a "Schrodinger Divination" GD debate.

At 800 BP, hackers and Technomancers will be able to gather all the info you want and have the best chance of hacking orbital/nuclear weapons. If you want to actually shoot a GD to death, you have to use some obscene weapons like MERSI grenades (AFB, but from WAR!)

Edit: Or, if you give them some Karma, high level AIs are basically invincible. They can do it and there's not much even Lofwyr can do to stop them.

[Blitz66]

I'd go with the largest Body Troll you could possibly muster. Even if he doesn't choke on him, the high fat content will do a number on the Great Dragon's arteries.

To prepare for combat, I'd have him smothered in Real Cheese and Boiling Hot Brown Gravy.

I thought you focused on the other type of Troll Lust, CanRay.

[Mardrax]

I thought you focused on the other type of Troll Lust, CanRay.

Gravy doubles up as lube without a hitch.
For those who like to dip, before they nip.

[Xahn Borealis]

EVERY Thor shot and EVERY orbital laser and EVERY thaumaturgid nuke you can throw at him. Then you start with the viral stuff. Weaponised HMHVV, MADS, FAB III, while Ares uses their captured insect spirits to try and possess him. That's just off the top of my head.

[CanRay]

I thought you focused on the other type of Troll Lust, CanRay.

Gravy doubles up as lube without a hitch.
For those who like to dip, before they nip.

I'm Canadian...

Look up this thing called "Poutine" and you'll get the joke.

[Xahn Borealis]

So Lofwyr's made of potato?

[Blitz66]

I'm Canadian...

Look up this thing called "Poutine" and you'll get the joke.

I got the joke, and it made me hungry. "Hunger" is similar to "Lust." Thus, MY joke. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[CanRay]

So Lofwyr's made of potato?

No, the ball of fat Troll is a potato to a Dragon.

...

Maybe find an Irish Troll, just to make sure. Or one from PEI or Idaho.

[Mardrax]

I'm Canadian...

Look up this thing called "Poutine" and you'll get the joke.

It seems that this last decade, poutine has been to me what playing an actual game of Shadowrun had been to you.

[CanRay]

French Fries (Home style, not the mass produced crap), Cheese Curd (Fresh is best, but frozen does in a pinch), and Brown Gravy (With bits of beef still in it, to give some extra texture and taste.). It's a lot easier to get than RPGers interested in Shadowrun.

One comedian's theory behind Quebec being so problematic is that, due to this dish, they haven't had a bowel movement since Confederation/Confédération.

[Neko Asakami]

That would explain why they're so full of shit.

[Stahlseele]

"Yo, Lofwyr."
"Yeah, spirit of tomorrow?"
"I forsee GRAVE danger when you will leave to inspect the sorrow-factory. Something with metal from the sky and destruction of all life around you"
"Ah, let my mighty brain (and spec-ops, and spies) do its work: WAIT, someone wants to shoot me... with a Thor shot? Time to proactively ruin some lives, i guess"

And he has reason to do this why?

How's about the good old Technomancer/Face, to shake the wyrm's hand in a corporate meeting, pull him into VR and Psychotropic, Cascading Black Hammer him?

For a truly dragonkill almost as cheesy as CanRay's troll.

Stahl: that leaves him plenty Edge to say "die? Me? Naw." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I thought Edge only when you are not surprised?
Also, by that reasoning, give me a human with 8 edge and a Gauss-Rifle.
Burn Edge for critical success.
Bam, dead dragon because of AP/2 -5 and then 4 net hits meaning whatever he has to not take damage, i have 4 more . .

[Mardrax]

And he has reason to do this why?

I thought Edge only when you are not surprised?
Also, by that reasoning, give me a human with 8 edge and a Gauss-Rifle.
Burn Edge for critical success.
Bam, dead dragon because of AP/2 -5 and then 4 net hits meaning whatever he has to not take damage, i have 4 more . .

At which the dragon does the same on his soak roll.

When an unstoppable force meets an immovable object...

Also: exactly. Why would old Goldy bother with spirits to tell him the future, when he's had ample time to pick up the Divining metamagic and use it at every occasion?
Then, having a great form Guidance spirit ally always comes in handy. Plus dragons need their lackeys.

[Draco18s]

I'd go with the largest Body Troll you could possibly muster. Even if he doesn't choke on him, the high fat content will do a number on the Great Dragon's arteries.

To prepare for combat, I'd have him smothered in Real Cheese and Boiling Hot Brown Gravy.

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[Draco18s]

I'd go with the largest Body Troll you could possibly muster. Even if he doesn't choke on him, the high fat content will do a number on the Great Dragon's arteries.

To prepare for combat, I'd have him smothered in Real Cheese and Boiling Hot Brown Gravy.

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And he has reason to do this why?

I thought Edge only when you are not surprised?
Also, by that reasoning, give me a human with 8 edge and a Gauss-Rifle.
Burn Edge for critical success.
Bam, dead dragon because of AP/2 -5 and then 4 net hits meaning whatever he has to not take damage, i have 4 more . .

Burn edge: oops, I'm not dead.

[Faraday]

Set off a Ragnarok-style world event, get things stirred up like hell to confuse divination as much as possible. When you get the chance, generate a mana void in Lofwyr's location and hit the local area with 20 THOR shots. Should do the trick.

[UmaroVI]

First, wait until Lofwyr has published stats. Then just kill him in some boringly mundane way, because dragons are statted out as just a slightly above-average jet fighter and a pretty good mage, despite all the fluff about them being able to destroy cities and all that jazz. Until then, Schroedinger's Dragon could theoretically have any defense against any strategy.

[Patrick Goodman]

I've seen Lofwyr's stats. Have fun with that....

[Saint Hallow]

Really? Are we discussing killing named NPC's in the SR world? I'm half expecting dark-skinned elf with twin swords to show up now...

Or someone could just bring in the "Those who will not be named" from Earthdawn. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)