So Lofwyr has 35 body, lets do this! Options

[Xahn Borealis]

Fully the purview of rule 34, I fear.

Lofwyr/Dunkie slash fic, anyone?

[Mardrax]

Lofwyr/Dunkie slash fic, anyone?

Draconic necrophilic homosexuality?

Why not?

[Udoshi]

The only way to take down a dragon in a direct fight, and have a chance of succeeding...

its actually kind of like a MMO raid.

Twist Fate is your biggest enemy, and great dragons need to spend edge to use it.
A team of edge 7-8 humans NEEDS to force a dragon to use edge on defense tests, instead of permaboosting an ally with it(they can lend it, and get it BACK when its spent). So you need to put him in a situation where he has to spend edge on surprise, dodging, resistances, etc.

Debuffs: Exploit dual naturedness. FAB, more fab, and background count. If this means astral hazing, so be it. If it means stealing a cyberzombie, or having your mages flood the area with multiple background counts from Mana Static.

Dealing with the adds: Great dragons have incredible on-demand support. Whether its hackers, or loads of bound ally spirits and summoned spirits and regular spirits. If you manage to get a dragon into a situation where the only backup is instant backup, you're still going to need a plan to deal with it.

The rest is stun damage. Dragons have great body, and thus huge soak and resistance pools. But terrible willpower.

As for my team? I'd probably take a pair of jarheads at least, with the +object resistance mod from War.

[DamienKnight]

If my Dragonheart saga memories serve me correctly...

To take out Dunkelzhan it required no less than a team of blood mages tapped into a manaline combined with a tactical nuke... which only actually opened a rift to a metaplane that sucked him in, didnt actually kill him necessarily.

Great Dragons dont die. Dont even fantasize about it. Unless of course other dragons ganged up on them...

[KarmaInferno]

Are people forgetting that you'd not be fighting JUST a dragon, but a dragon with the resources of an entire multi-quadrillion-nuyen megacorp?






-k

[Stahlseele]

If my Dragonheart saga memories serve me correctly...

Actually no, it doesn't.

[ Spoiler ]

he killed himself to power the dragon heart. the watergate hole was only a by product of this. not entirely wanted either.
he then, for whatever reason, became a REALLY POWERFULL free spirit who called himself lethe . . And fuzed with the cyberzombie burnout/billy who wanted to steal the dragon heart.
he regained his memory only after thaila, who guarded the meta planes of light and dark and the cleft in between, had died and he had used the dragon heart to destroy the bridge between them and to revive both mercury and thalon with the oversupply of mana which he channeled through the dragon heart.

Closest to a great dragon being killed by human means were Lofwyrs Brother Alamais, who got hit(and nearly killed) by oribital lasers and Feuerschwinge, who got shot down over the SOX by german fighter jets with rockets/missles . . and survived . . and then some years later got NAPALM-Bombed . . and probably survived again, but nothing is sure about this as of yet . .
Adult Dragons have died more often, see Haesslich and Tessien for example.

[CanRay]

Are people forgetting that you'd not be fighting JUST a dragon, but a dragon with the resources of an entire multi-quadrillion-nuyen megacorp?
-k

Part of which is a ketchup factory.

[Draco18s]

Part of which is a ketchup factory.

Another part is chocolate. Particularly the dipping kind.

[HunterHerne]

Another part is chocolate. Particularly the dipping kind.

Mmmm. Boston elf.

[Patrick Goodman]

Another part is chocolate. Particularly the dipping kind.

Someone loves themselves some ork fondue, I'm thinking....

[CanRay]

Mmmm. Boston elf.

I love the creamy filling.

[Aku]

I love the creamy filling.

Thats what she said...

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[Xahn Borealis]

Just send Lofwyr to Dumpshock, we'll squick him to death.

[Warlordtheft]

And it doesn't help that Great Dragons have stats that are totally nowhere near powerful enough to do that, either. I'd much rather Ghostwalker took over Denver because he could use his knowledge and resources to raise and direct an effective rebellion or something like that, then flying in, being "olol, I'm unstoppable!" and taking over by the power of Plot.

Umm, and I wonder what Lofwyr's spell list looks like. Detect [object], Detect enemies--would work too, so he'd see you comming from over a mile away. At that point the SK strike team hits the group, takes them out.

I'm sure he's got max skill in Sorcery, conjuring, banishing, too so magic is right out. His perception, dodge and other stats are through the roof as well.


OT--Assume you have a light pistol loaded with normal ammo and shoot lofwyr after a big fight in the lair. You are uninjured and all your paty memebers are dead. You use edge on the initial roll of 12 dice to hit him. He is suprised and out of edge (FOR JUST siliness). What is the percentage chance that you will kill lofwry--assuming average soak rolls by the golden snout?

[CanRay]

Just send Lofwyr to Dumpshock, we'll squick him to death.

Or he'll introduce what Dragons consider "Normal" fetishes and we'll be squicked to death. And the few survivors left will be exposed to what dragons consider to be deviant carnal acts...

[CanRay]

Oh, I only have one suggestion if you get Lofwyr's attention:

DODGE!

[Draco18s]

Just send Lofwyr to Dumpshock Furaffinity, we'll squick him to death.

Fixed that for you. Dumpshock isn't particularly full of squick.

Or he'll introduce what Dragons consider "Normal" fetishes and we'll be squicked to death. And the few survivors left will be exposed to what dragons consider to be deviant carnal acts...

This is more likely.

[CanRay]

And then I'll be left alone, and he'll just look at me, go, "REALLY?"

And eat me to make the world a better place.

[Xahn Borealis]

Or he'll introduce what Dragons consider "Normal" fetishes and we'll be squicked to death. And the few survivors left will be exposed to what dragons consider to be deviant carnal acts...

Then the Draconic Otherkins will fall in love with him. >.>

[HunterHerne]

Then the Draconic Otherkins will fall in love with him. >.>

Not to mention those Dunkelzahn/Ghostwalker groupies who made them the actual head of a draconic cult, that is also (albeit barely) a magic tradition.

[CanRay]

Those guys scare me more than Scientology!

...

OK, slightly less, but still!

[Glyph]

Are people forgetting that you'd not be fighting JUST a dragon, but a dragon with the resources of an entire multi-quadrillion-nuyen megacorp?

Exactly. Damien Knight is probably a tough old coot, but he doesn't need to be able to shrug off orbital cows to be an apex predator in the Shadowrun universe. I would rather have a moderately tough great dragon (the basic SR4 stats, boosted a bit for "named" ones) who has a security detail, than these overblown 'toons. A great dragon should be able to take on a special ops team, with the odds favoring him, but should not even be in the same league as modern military weaponry such as panzers and fighter jets.

[Saint Hallow]

Well, let's see... I'd take:

1. A former wageslave now runner dog shaman
2. A human femal hermetic mage
3. An elven decker uhm hacker, whatever
4. An Orc merc
5. A native american street sam

Then I'd provide the sam - let's call him say Ghost-who-walks-inside - with a minigun and Lofwyr begone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Ghost used an autocannon, not a minigun if I recall correctly. As for our dog-boy, he had major help from a mentor spirit & was only just lucky to not get deep-fried by flame breath.

[longbowrocks]

Stahl already solved this, but I guess he forgot. All you need is the ITS Gonryu, and overlapping blast radii on a full auto burst. That is a perfect solution to any problem. Even the ones that aren't problems, or require a delicate touch. 55 DV IS a delicate touch in comparison to satellite weaponry, especially when most of the damage falls off 2.5 meters from ground zero.

[longbowrocks]

OT--Assume you have a light pistol loaded with normal ammo and shoot lofwyr after a big fight in the lair. You are uninjured and all your paty memebers are dead. You use edge on the initial roll of 12 dice to hit him. He is suprised and out of edge (FOR JUST siliness). What is the percentage chance that you will kill lofwry--assuming average soak rolls by the golden snout?

Seriously? You're pitting him against one of the weakest weapon classes in the game and mook level dice? With a light pistol, he can take zeros on every roll, and you can get all hits on your roll, and you won't scratch him. He has 20 Hardened armor, so 16 DV is nothing to call home about. Try using a Sakura Fubuki light pistol loaded with capsule rounds and Ringu. Use burst fire, and everything is suddenly much easier. Oh, and having more shooting dice than his reaction would be a stellar plan. These guys aren't meant to be beat, so at least powergame a tiny bit if you want to beat one.