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post Aug 10 2011, 02:32 PM
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QUOTE (Starglyte @ Aug 10 2011, 09:27 AM) *
Hopefully one detailing Tir Tairngire. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm trying! Just ask Peter and Jason, I pestered 'em about being able to write one all weekend. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)
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post Aug 10 2011, 04:05 PM
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QUOTE (Starglyte @ Aug 10 2011, 09:27 AM) *
Kellen Colt is my least favorite.
A lot of Kellen Colt's issues is that she was an "Everyman" Shadowrunner, able to do a little bit of everything, and came off as too "Mary Sue"ish in my mind because of that. She was a Mage that learned Decking/Hacking that learned Espionage that learned... You get the idea.

The other character that went this route was Twist (Sam Verner, former Wageslave), who was all those things as well, and sucked at all of them (Except for being a Shaman, but he burned out, and it was only in the last book of his trilogy that he was any good really), and he ended up be remembered only as a Shadowrunner with weird morals (He only killed one person. As long as you don't consider HMHVV-Infected individuals people, and it was a clear case of self-defense as well.). A lot of folks have issues with him as well, but he's too much of a butt monkey to go the other route.

Both trilogies appear to have been designed to profile and demonstrate the "Iconic" characters of Shadowrun at the time.
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post Aug 10 2011, 06:15 PM
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I actually like Sam Verner because he was a little bit of everything and kind of sucked at all of it. He was like a really badly written character on paper.
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post Aug 10 2011, 08:27 PM
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Kind of sucked? He did suck at everything. Hell the guy died, what, three times?

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He got better.
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post Aug 10 2011, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 10 2011, 05:27 PM) *
Kind of sucked? He did suck at everything. Hell the guy died, what, three times?

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He got better.

Huh. Thought that didn`t happen in SR?
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post Aug 10 2011, 10:53 PM
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That was a Monthy Python Reference. A Felony worth flogging him for on most gaming tables. Not that he'd get to play, anyway, seeing how he has to GM time and time again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ^^
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post Aug 10 2011, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE (HunterHerne @ Aug 10 2011, 03:58 PM) *
Huh. Thought that didn`t happen in SR?
Even in real life, there's death and there's death. And then there's reported as dead.

Also, part of being a shaman is having had to die. I had Pup the Dog Shaman shot in the forehead and dropped out of a helicopter. Twist suffered a similar fate, without the face-shooty or helicopter bit.
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 10 2011, 05:53 PM) *
That was a Monthy Python Reference. A Felony worth flogging him for on most gaming tables. Not that he'd get to play, anyway, seeing how he has to GM time and time again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ^^
That too, but with my groups it's considered par for the course rather than a torturous situation.
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post Aug 11 2011, 12:00 AM
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Yes, well, Puns are usually more of an offense, but monthy python is a close second ^^
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post Aug 11 2011, 04:34 AM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ Aug 10 2011, 06:58 AM) *
Puck's been pictured before? Got a page number for that?


p. 66 of Archology Shutdown.

His icon is the guy on the right. Incidentally, Puck's description of his icon(silver hair and eyes) was the only thing that existed for a long while, and so it became generally accepted that it was how he looked like in real life, too.
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post Aug 11 2011, 01:06 PM
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QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Aug 11 2011, 01:34 AM) *
p. 66 of Archology Shutdown.

His icon is the guy on the right. Incidentally, Puck's description of his icon(silver hair and eyes) was the only thing that existed for a long while, and so it became generally accepted that it was how he looked like in real life, too.


Yeah, and it's not like people on the internet Matrix never lied about their looks...
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post Aug 11 2011, 01:35 PM
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You mean that hot 5'2" Chick with the big hooters?

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Aw man. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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post Aug 11 2011, 01:37 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 11 2011, 06:35 AM) *
You mean that hot 5'2" Chick with the big hooters?

...

Aw man. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)


Yep... That would be the one...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:00 PM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Aug 11 2011, 08:06 AM) *
Yeah, and it's not like people on the internet Matrix never lied about their looks...

What's odd is that that Puck, unlike every other Matrix user, has an icon that looks almost exactly like his real life form.
Fastjack can look like a giant jackhammer and Pax has her weird winged thing, yet Puck looks like a skinny kid with silver hair and eyes and, according to Legends and Corporate Guide, is a skinny kid with silver hair and eyes.

On the Matrix, everyone should lie about their looks a little, or at least their icon should be a metaphorical interpretation of their self interpretation, yet Puck is exactly as he seems; which is totally antithetical to his character.

If his icon was a silver hair waif and his real life body was a chubby, pale Eastender, that would be one thing; yet something got lost in the translation in one of the modern Sixth World's most notorious characters.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:05 PM
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FastJack insinuated in "Into The Shadows" that one icon he uses with friends might be how he looks.

Likely it's his personal view of himself that was created during his formative years, as it's too young (He didn't look 50.). Alternatively, it could be a fake-out to make people think that's how he looks/looked and appears/appeared quite differently. He's tricky that way.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:08 PM
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QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Aug 11 2011, 07:00 AM) *
What's odd is that that Puck, unlike every other Matrix user, has an icon that looks almost exactly like his real life form.
Fastjack can look like a giant jackhammer and Pax has her weird winged thing, yet Puck looks like a skinny kid with silver hair and eyes and, according to Legends and Corporate Guide, is a skinny kid with silver hair and eyes.

On the Matrix, everyone should lie about their looks a little, or at least their icon should be a metaphorical interpretation of their self interpretation, yet Puck is exactly as he seems; which is totally antithetical to his character.

If his icon was a silver hair waif and his real life body was a chubby, pale Eastender, that would be one thing; yet something got lost in the translation in one of the modern Sixth World's most notorious characters.

I think that he might be himself because he views The Matrix as 'more real' than reality. He is himself, in his natural environment.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:09 PM
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 11 2011, 09:05 AM) *
FastJack insinuated in "Into The Shadows" that one icon he uses with friends might be how he looks.

Likely it's his personal view of himself that was created during his formative years, as it's too young (He didn't look 50.). Alternatively, it could be a fake-out to make people think that's how he looks/looked and appears/appeared quite differently. He's tricky that way.

True, but that doesn't negate the thesis that is Fastjack. He's learned and wizened enough to be able to be himself, even if just a little bit.

The only interpretation of Puck is exactly as he seems, which seems against the thesis of one trying to escape his past. If anything, his icon should have changed dramatically as he switched from otaku to technomancer.

The probable reason for this is that the writer of this blurb didn't want to delve too deep into a tertiary character. My beef is that I see Puck as a Falstaff rather than a Soldier #2.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Aug 11 2011, 12:34 AM) *
p. 66 of Archology Shutdown.

His icon is the guy on the right. Incidentally, Puck's description of his icon(silver hair and eyes) was the only thing that existed for a long while, and so it became generally accepted that it was how he looked like in real life, too.


No pic on 66. One on 69 with four icons in it, is that the one?
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:23 PM
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Fastjack used to look like a blurry silhouette back in ... Matrix II, I believe?
Also, technos looking like themselves in VR seems to be a popular idea, at least half the techno chars I've met subscribed to it.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:27 PM
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FastJack has many avatars. That's the one he uses the most.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:33 PM
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Oh, btw, while we're on old matrix books and equally old matrix cowboys - where the hell is Smiling Bandit? I miss the guy.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:38 PM
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He's around, the occasional guest on the JackPoint. Don't know why he isn't a regular, but likely due to his lifestyle and personal interests making it ineffective to be a partner in the system.
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post Aug 11 2011, 02:49 PM
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Yeah, he was in Street Legends, too, I believe - in Haze's bio.
Then again, he's one of the most old-school hackers, plus a brilliant scientific mind. Unless he left running behind (and his comment, if I recall correctly, away from the books right now, suggests otherwise), there's just no reason for him to to contribute more. Or there's something going on with him, like being involved with the artefacts hunt (which would make sense, I'd say).
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post Aug 11 2011, 03:36 PM
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QUOTE (Fortinbras @ Aug 11 2011, 02:00 PM) *
What's odd is that that Puck, unlike every other Matrix user, has an icon that looks almost exactly like his real life form.
Fastjack can look like a giant jackhammer and Pax has her weird winged thing, yet Puck looks like a skinny kid with silver hair and eyes and, according to Legends and Corporate Guide, is a skinny kid with silver hair and eyes.

On the Matrix, everyone should lie about their looks a little, or at least their icon should be a metaphorical interpretation of their self interpretation, yet Puck is exactly as he seems; which is totally antithetical to his character.

IIRC, Otaku often had idealized versions of themselves as their icon, same as magicians on the astral.
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post Aug 11 2011, 03:37 PM
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Personal self-view can be a weird, weird thing.
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