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[Nath]

Also, before anyone calls me on it... Bull does have Exceptional Attribute (Hacking) but does not have a maxed out Hacking skill.

So Bull has Hacking as an attribute ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[hobgoblin]

So Bull has Hacking as an attribute ? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Dude, do not poke the sleepy Bull (IMG:style_emoticons/default/silly.gif)

[horvagab]

So, umm.... I'm a newb and pretty light on Shadowrun lore and previous editions...

But seeing as the world of Shadowrun is populated by orks, elves, trolls, dwarves, vampires etc... and yes humans why is it that the content is overwhelmingly human males?

I know this sounds pretty PC, and it might actually be, but as I stated, my main concern is the lackign variety of other Shadowrun character types.

[Bull]

Bah. Aptitude, I meant. He also has Exception Attribute (Logic). It does nothing for hacking (Which irritates me to no end), but he's always been smarter than the average ork.

Horvagab: It just shook out that way. *shrug* It was something we were discussing after the book was hitting layout. While there were a handful of character that Jason said "we want folks to write about these", the rest were all submissions from the freelancers, so it's characters that the freelancers wanted to write about. Afterward we looked an went "Huh, no Dwarfs or Trolls to be seen. Weird."

*shrug*

Bull

[Sengir]

And so it begins.... I wish I could have done more to fan the flames against Infected rights, but the little bit I got in there will have to do for the moment.

As if Humanis needed fanning...

And Bull, come to the resonant side...we have a use for Logic, and Resonance is something like hacking as an Attribute (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Patrick Goodman]

As if Humanis needed fanning...

Actually, little as they've been used lately (and most of that, I think, not effectively)...yeah, they do. Yes, I like a ray of hope in my games...but you can't have light without darkness, and (meta)human hate and stupidity are some of the darkest things out there. Who needs corporate overlords when ordinary people are enough to wreck a society?

Oooops. Sorry. I'll stop ranting now, before I really get started.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Actually, little as they've been used lately (and most of that, I think, not effectively)...yeah, they do. Yes, I like a ray of hope in my games...but you can't have light without darkness, and (meta)human hate and stupidity are some of the darkest things out there. Who needs corporate overlord when ordinary people are enough to wreck a society?

Oooops. Sorry. I'll stop ranting now, before I really get started.

It's okay, Patrick. It's the Texan in you...

[hermit]

Who needs corporate overlord when ordinary people are enough to wreck a society?

"If you think Humanis is bad, try a bunch of 12 year old kids", to paraphrase Bull.

I missed the bit on Aina before. So this is a tie-in to Artifacts, okay. I'll reserve judgement then. Still, the Nadias ... eh. But okay, so it wasn't Hardy's idea. He still went with it, like with the trees that make Amazonia start a war, but it wasn't his idea, my bad.

I really am looking forard to see more of deVries and the anti-Twilight movement of his. That was awesome. Other things - Serrin, Thorne - were pretty itneresting, too. I'm sort of missing Minoshi Oni, and agree with Seph that there should have been a bit more coordination about metatypes and variance. Maybe you can do a follow-up PDF?

[Patrick Goodman]

I really am looking forard to see more of deVries and the anti-Twilight movement of his. That was awesome.

Don't have anything to say here, really, I just wanted to perpetuate that statement. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I was really worried how some folks were going to take that, and you were one of them, for reasons I can't quite put my fingers on.

Not that it would have changed the way I did it, mind you, but I would have been disappointed to find that you hated it. I want everyone to like what I write, but ultimately, the only person I'm really writing for here is, well, me. I'm fortunate, I suppose, in that stuff I like turns out to be stuff other people like, too.

I'm sort of missing Minoshi Oni, and agree with Seph that there should have been a bit more coordination about metatypes and variance. Maybe you can do a follow-up PDF?

Actually, I believe that one is in the works. Not sure who all is in it since I'm not working on it (and really not pursuing a lot of freelance work at the moment because of outside influences), but I think Mihoshi Oni will be in it because they've got art for her already.

But it was noticed. I'd love to do a whole other book like this sometime, because it was great fun to work on this one.

[Mäx]

Winterhawk had a formatting error that I swear was not there when we review the PDF proofs. ANyway, you'll note he's missing a Magic rating. He's supposed to be Magic 10, Edge 6, IIRC.

No he's not, he has a magic of 11 and right next to is and edge of 10.

[CanRay]

Bah. Aptitude, I meant. He also has Exception Attribute (Logic). It does nothing for hacking (Which irritates me to no end), but he's always been smarter than the average ork.

Bull

A room temperature glass of water is smarter than your average ork. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

That said (Far away from Orks, BTW), the one I write as a Shadowtalker sounds like dumb barrens muscle, but is actually exceptionally well read (Sleep Regulators will do that to you.). He just refuses to use a keyboard (Never learned to type), and uses a vocal recognizer to put in comments to posts. It's very difficult to talk with a "Dumb Trog" accent when you're discussing Nietzsche and Sun Tzu.

As if Humanis needed fanning...

Actually, little as they've been used lately (and most of that, I think, not effectively)...yeah, they do.

Well, with their "Golden Boy" getting things ready in the Seattle Metroplex, it just might be time for another warehouse firesale...

[Bull]

Humanis is seeing some use in Seattle Missions (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[CanRay]

Another reason for me to get into the Missions, I guess.

[horvagab]

Horvagab: It just shook out that way. *shrug* It was something we were discussing after the book was hitting layout. While there were a handful of character that Jason said "we want folks to write about these", the rest were all submissions from the freelancers, so it's characters that the freelancers wanted to write about. Afterward we looked an went "Huh, no Dwarfs or Trolls to be seen. Weird."

*shrug*

Bull

Yeah, I figured it was not deliberate, just how things happened. It seems strange, but hey, these guys are awesome, if I acuse them of being non-PC, I'll be blasted to bits or worse (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) .

Thanks for the explanations though Bull (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Sengir]

Actually, little as they've been used lately (and most of that, I think, not effectively)...yeah, they do.

Uhm, Brackhaven? Humanis has certainly made more progress in recent years than ghouls since Bug City.

[Grinder]

Horvagab: It just shook out that way. *shrug* It was something we were discussing after the book was hitting layout. While there were a handful of character that Jason said "we want folks to write about these", the rest were all submissions from the freelancers, so it's characters that the freelancers wanted to write about. Afterward we looked an went "Huh, no Dwarfs or Trolls to be seen. Weird."

Well.. as LD Hardy does have the authority to deny submissions and at the same time present characters that need to be in the book. And he should have an overview who submitted what and what that means for the racial distribution.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Well.. as LD Hardy does have the authority to deny submissions and at the same time present characters that need to be in the book. And he should have an overview who submitted what and what that means for the racial distribution.

But does it really matter? Is it really that bothersome that there are few, to no, representatives of the various other metatypes in the book? After all, by fluff, Humans outnumber the rest of the metahumans. Seems like that is represented by the book that was published.

[Patrick Goodman]

Uhm, Brackhaven? Humanis has certainly made more progress in recent years than ghouls since Bug City.

Haven't been particularly impressed with the Brackhaven plotline, really, and even if I was, it's just Seattle. Humanis is supposedly a worldwide group of hateful bastards, and they've not been used effectively as a plot device.

[Grinder]

But does it really matter? Is it really that bothersome that there are few, to no, representatives of the various other metatypes in the book? After all, by fluff, Humans outnumber the rest of the metahumans. Seems like that is represented by the book that was published.

Ah, that's lame. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

I was more speculating on the way Hardy handled the question which character should be featured in Street Legends - Bulls posting made me think "Well, Hardy didn't care/ had no idea/ couldn't use his authority as LD". Each one sucks.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Ah, that's lame. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

I was more speculating on the way Hardy handled the question which character should be featured in Street Legends - Bulls posting made me think "Well, Hardy didn't care/ had no idea/ couldn't use his authority as LD". Each one sucks.

Ahhh... I see what you are saying, and I can understand that, I guess. I just can't summon up any reason to care that the Metatypes are not equally represented. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Grinder]

I just can't summon up any reason to care that the Metatypes are not equally represented. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Pfff... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Redjack]

I played Serrin in the Tournament this year. What a blast playing someone with such a high Magic! I have two retired high grade initiates from previous editions stuck away in folders from games in the 50's and 60's. Gonna make it a priority to pull them out, brush them off and convert to SR4.

[Sengir]

And he should have an overview who submitted what and what that means for the racial distribution.

Well, all of the new books had the problem of resembling essay collections to varying degrees...imbalance between metatypes is the slightest problem (probably) resulting from that (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Neurosis]

Here's a spoiler: Bull is old and cranky and beats people (virtually) over the head for trying to call him a hacker. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I met the real Bull over the weekend and he physically kicked me in the shin for saying the word RAW. True story. : )

[CanRay]

I met the real Bull over the weekend and he physically kicked me in the shin for saying the word RAW. True story. : )

Here's a spoiler: Bull is old and cranky and beats people (virtually) over the head for trying to call him a hacker. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

OK, fixed that, thanks for the heads up.