 Banishing... the hidden power of it on p. 94 of Street Magic |
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 Aug 11 2011, 04:16 PM
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For tasers-and-spirits, sure. But a basic viewpoint of 'there's no logic in the whole game, because magic exists' is fundamentally bad. It means we can't care about grenades being realistically dangerous, or how fast the aircraft are (aren't), or the effects of known toxins. I'm just saying that it's better to handwave specific, clearly magical situations than to handwave the entire game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Aug 11 2011, 04:21 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 11 2011, 09:16 AM)  For tasers-and-spirits, sure. But a basic viewpoint of 'there's no logic in the whole game, because magic exists' is fundamentally bad. It means we can't care about grenades being realistically dangerous, or how fast the aircraft are (aren't), or the effects of known toxins. I'm just saying that it's better to handwave specific, clearly magical situations than to handwave the entire game. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I can see that. Good Point. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Aug 12 2011, 01:23 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 11 2011, 10:16 AM) ...or the effects of known toxins. I can't stand Black Mamba Venom from Running Wild. If it is only like 6 or 7P then how many doses are injected? One bite can realistically kill like 20 grown men. |
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Aug 12 2011, 01:30 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2011, 06:23 AM) I can't stand Black Mamba Venom from Running Wild. If it is only like 6 or 7P then how many doses are injected? One bite can realistically kill like 20 grown men. And most people bitten by one are not just bit once. That is one mean snake. |
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Aug 12 2011, 02:35 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,355 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 12 2011, 09:23 AM) I can't stand Black Mamba Venom from Running Wild. If it is only like 6 or 7P then how many doses are injected? One bite can realistically kill like 20 grown men. Nature sometimes does overkill. So a bite injects many doses. Cognitive dissonance solved. |
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Aug 12 2011, 02:40 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 12 2011, 07:35 AM) Nature sometimes does overkill. So a bite injects many doses. Cognitive dissonance solved. Indeed it does. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Aug 13 2011, 04:33 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 12 2011, 09:35 AM) Nature sometimes does overkill. So a bite injects many doses. Cognitive dissonance solved. I understand, but it's not mentioned that way in the book. Also, Platypus venom states it rarely kills someone but it's like 6S damage. Four doses would be lethal to a normal person. |
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Aug 13 2011, 02:46 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,355 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
Maybe there is some kind of convention in the SR universe. a 'dose' is built to do around 6S damage. From a platypus, it may be 10 ccs of active agent, whereas from a black mamba it could be 1 cc.
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Aug 13 2011, 03:40 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 13 2011, 08:46 AM) Maybe there is some kind of convention in the SR universe. a 'dose' is built to do around 6S damage. From a platypus, it may be 10 ccs of active agent, whereas from a black mamba it could be 1 cc. I have always seen it as such. Dose sizes are in relation to the toxin, after all, not a universal amount that is standardized across the board. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Aug 13 2011, 03:48 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 2-July 11 Member No.: 32,605 |
And, of course, that is a reason why the answer to "how many doses should I use to kill someone?" remains, as in nature, "all the doses. All of them." If you're trying to kill someone, you don't make it a narrow thing they might survive. In poison, like so many things, if it's worth doing, it's worth overdoing. Ten doses, maybe?
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Aug 13 2011, 03:49 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
But that's *expensive*. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)
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Aug 13 2011, 03:53 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 13 2011, 09:49 AM) But that's *expensive*. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Especially when 2-3 will work just fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm a bit confuesed, though, how we ended up on Toxins and Dosage on a thread for Banishing. *shrug* oh well... |
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Aug 13 2011, 06:54 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,355 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 13 2011, 11:53 AM) Especially when 2-3 will work just fine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I'm a bit confuesed, though, how we ended up on Toxins and Dosage on a thread for Banishing. *shrug* oh well... You ask this... on Dumpshock? |
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Aug 13 2011, 07:07 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Because the world needs to know how many doses of ExLax one needs to make a great form earth elemental shit himself with fear . .
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Aug 13 2011, 07:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 13 2011, 03:07 PM) Because the world needs to know how many doses of ExLax one needs to make a great form earth elemental shit Fixed that for you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Aug 13 2011, 07:54 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
Yeah, okay, i can live with that ^^
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Aug 13 2011, 07:54 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 13 2011, 12:54 PM) You ask this... on Dumpshock? It was rhetorical, but at least I got a few answers. |
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Aug 13 2011, 10:31 PM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,355 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 13 2011, 02:54 PM) It was rhetorical... So was my comment. |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:09 AM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Aug 13 2011, 02:07 PM) Because the world needs to know how many doses of ExLax one needs to make a great form earth elemental shit himself with fear . . If you're dosing an earth elemental with exlax, i dont think you're gonna get bricks........ |
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Aug 14 2011, 03:11 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Mud?
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Aug 14 2011, 04:05 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 13 2011, 10:53 AM) I'm a bit confuesed, though, how we ended up on Toxins and Dosage on a thread for Banishing. *shrug* oh well... Capsule Rounds with Narcoject or Slab make good Banishing alternatives also. |
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Aug 14 2011, 04:09 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
If we assume toxins work on them. And on vehicles. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Aug 14 2011, 02:25 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
I was just trying to illustrate another way we could bring up toxins on a Banishment thread.
And it's completely RAW. |
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Aug 14 2011, 02:27 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Yes, yes, we all know how you use the term 'RAW'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Back to your hole!
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Aug 14 2011, 03:34 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
*Shrug* Using common sense to decide how to interpret, alter or ditch rules is also RAW. (SR4A, p. 60)
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