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[Irion]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Which begs the question, what you consider overpowered...
(Since I guess you may have quite different approach to that)

[Neraph]

I'd consider it powerful, but not overpowered. Of course, I have some very interesting materials I've posted about, so I may be a little biased. For example, it is no big issue for me to consider creating a spellcaster with a Magic (not dicepool, just Magic Attribute) obtainable of 14 on 400 BP, or having a character with at or above 200/200 armor.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

I'd consider it powerful, but not overpowered. Of course, I have some very interesting materials I've posted about, so I may be a little biased. For example, it is no big issue for me to consider creating a spellcaster with a Magic (not dicepool, just Magic Attribute) obtainable of 14 on 400 BP, or having a character with at or above 200/200 armor.

These I would consider Overpowered !!!!! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Elfenlied]

I'd consider it powerful, but not overpowered. Of course, I have some very interesting materials I've posted about, so I may be a little biased. For example, it is no big issue for me to consider creating a spellcaster with a Magic (not dicepool, just Magic Attribute) obtainable of 14 on 400 BP, or having a character with at or above 200/200 armor.

Nosferatu/Vampire with their Essence Drain attribute boost + R4 Power Focus?

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Nosferatu/Vampire with their Essence Drain attribute boost + R4 Power Focus?

POwer Foci do not add to the Magic Rating, ever... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Irion]

So I guess we agree to disagree...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So I guess we agree to disagree...

Upon What? You do not think that a Starting Magic of 14, or Armor at 200/200 is overpowered? Or that Power Foci do not add to magic?Wow... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Irion]

Well, as a matter of fact I was talking about what we were talking about...
(And I was including Neraph)
I just realized it would take a while if we would need to find a definition of overpowered between my point of view and Neraphs.
Thats the needle in the in the needle factory.


Do not get me wrong I would engage in things like that, but this is only fun in person and with beer.

I mean for me even smartlink is kind of overpowered and only saved because it is so stongly supported by the fluff...

[HunterHerne]

Well, as a matter of fact I was talking about what we were talking about...
(And I was including Neraph)
I just realized it would take a while if we would need to find a definition of overpowered between my point of view and Neraphs.
Thats the needle in the in the needle factory.


Do not get me wrong I would engage in things like that, but this is only fun in person and with beer.

I mean for me even smartlink is kind of overpowered and only saved because it is so stongly supported by the fluff...

And so easily used by everyone. If you have a gun, and no smartlink, you are either really poor, really cheap, or really naive.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

Well, as a matter of fact I was talking about what we were talking about...
(And I was including Neraph)
I just realized it would take a while if we would need to find a definition of overpowered between my point of view and Neraphs.
Thats the needle in the in the needle factory.


Do not get me wrong I would engage in things like that, but this is only fun in person and with beer.

I mean for me even smartlink is kind of overpowered and only saved because it is so stongly supported by the fluff...

Null Perspiration...
From what I understand, everything is better with Beer. Too bad I can't stomach it at all... Sometimes, I really want to like it, I just can't get by the taste. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

[Neraph]

Nosferatu/Vampire with their Essence Drain attribute boost + R4 Power Focus?

Close, but no focus.

[Sephiroth]

Close, but no focus.

Got it. Awakened nosferatu (EDIT: or a mutaqua, if you're cheating) of some sort with hardcapped Magic of 5 with all 18 points of essence funnelled into Magic. Do I get a cookie? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Irion]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Maybe you just have the wrong beer...

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

@Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Maybe you just have the wrong beer...

Tried a lot of different kinds. Just no taste for it, I guess. I do like a good Cider, though. And I like some Wines. But beer, *shrug*

[Cheops]

So Magic 4 = 4m radius? That is about 50 m2. Converting that to sq ft is about 540. My entire, two bedroom, two bathroom apartment is 812 square feet (or about 5m radius). Considering most runs happen in high-tech dungeons with constricted spaces that says to me that a 4m radius does not guarantee that the opponent won't be in the aoe. In fact most of the cubicle area I am currently working in is within a 4m radius. The enemy may be able to get out of the aoe but he'd need to spend time figuring out where to go (simple action -- no spellcasting that IP), getting there, and is then constricted in where he can move. If the opposing mage just spent his 1 IP to get out of my AMS that gives my Street Sam 6 IPs to wipe his buddies and the mage out.

The extra dice are good for reducing the expected value of any drain. It may not necessarily be game breaking but it helps remove the number one argument people on Dumpshock have for guns versus magic: "I can shoot my gun all day long without getting tired but your mage will eventually knock himself out with drain." Assuming a Willpower+Stat of 4+4 the expected value of 3 drain (F6/2) goes from 0.7 to 0.24. While that change isn't significant if you are only casting 1 or 2 spells if you are in an extended combat it is highly significant. Theoretically it lets you cast that spell 26 times before knocking yourself out (less the EV of AMS itself -- (10-3.33)/0.25 = 26.68).

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

So Magic 4 = 4m radius? That is about 50 m2. Converting that to sq ft is about 540. My entire, two bedroom, two bathroom apartment is 812 square feet (or about 5m radius). Considering most runs happen in high-tech dungeons with constricted spaces that says to me that a 4m radius does not guarantee that the opponent won't be in the aoe. In fact most of the cubicle area I am currently working in is within a 4m radius. The enemy may be able to get out of the aoe but he'd need to spend time figuring out where to go (simple action -- no spellcasting that IP), getting there, and is then constricted in where he can move. If the opposing mage just spent his 1 IP to get out of my AMS that gives my Street Sam 6 IPs to wipe his buddies and the mage out.

The extra dice are good for reducing the expected value of any drain. It may not necessarily be game breaking but it helps remove the number one argument people on Dumpshock have for guns versus magic: "I can shoot my gun all day long without getting tired but your mage will eventually knock himself out with drain." Assuming a Willpower+Stat of 4+4 the expected value of 3 drain (F6/2) goes from 0.7 to 0.24. While that change isn't significant if you are only casting 1 or 2 spells if you are in an extended combat it is highly significant. Theoretically it lets you cast that spell 26 times before knocking yourself out (less the EV of AMS itself -- (10-3.33)/0.25 = 26.68).

To get the Benefit, YOU have to stay within the AOE as well. Again, 4 Meter Radius is NOT that big, and is easily moved out of in less than 3 seconds. And you make yourself a great target if you are pinned to a single point in space.

It does have its uses, to be sure, and I have said so multiple times. I just do not see it being overpowered. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[Neraph]

Got it. Awakened nosferatu (EDIT: or a mutaqua, if you're cheating) of some sort with hardcapped Magic of 5 with all 18 points of essence funnelled into Magic. Do I get a cookie? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Yes. It took one of my friends about three weeks to figure it out.

[Elfenlied]

Ah, forgot about Nosferatu having 3x the Essence instead of 2x. Guess you really don't need the focus after all.