 Magic Fingers, Can you pick yourself up? |
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 Aug 15 2011, 07:38 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 689 Joined: 16-September 03 From: Colorado Member No.: 5,623  |
Magic Fingers as it is written does not preclude picking one’s self up and moving yourself, or does it? May seem a little silly but I can’t see in the RAW were you could not do this. Is it munchkin? Yes but do the rules preclude it?
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Aug 15 2011, 07:40 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 |
I dunno. How much do "you" weigh? How much can the magic fingers pick up?
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Aug 15 2011, 07:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 75 Joined: 17-July 11 Member No.: 33,515 |
Strength equal to number of hits on your spell test. So unless you're really lightweight, or tossing a hugely powerful spell, probably not.
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Aug 15 2011, 07:49 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 2-July 11 Member No.: 32,605 |
Maybe you can give yourself a pick-me-up, make yourself smile when you're down...
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Aug 15 2011, 08:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 8-January 10 Member No.: 18,018 |
Just use Levitate instead?
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Aug 15 2011, 08:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
Yes you can.
Because if reaction would apply, there would be a hell of other problems. (Normally the strength of a mage is not that high to support magic fingers...) |
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Aug 15 2011, 08:37 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,019 Joined: 10-November 10 From: Annapolis Valley, Nova Scotia Member No.: 19,166 |
QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 15 2011, 05:06 PM)  Just use Levitate instead? What? Why would anyone do the reasonable thing? |
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Aug 15 2011, 09:05 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,190 Joined: 31-May 09 From: London, UK Member No.: 17,229 |
It works for pixies, but what's the point since they can already fly?
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Aug 16 2011, 04:38 AM
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Old Man of the North Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 9,116 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 |
QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 15 2011, 03:06 PM) Just use Levitate instead? An obvious option, but if you had Magic Fingers and could use them to simulate the function of Levitate, then you could have two spells for the price of one. |
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Aug 16 2011, 04:50 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Which should clue you in that it shouldn't do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Aug 16 2011, 06:35 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 2-July 11 Member No.: 32,605 |
QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 16 2011, 05:38 AM) An obvious option, but if you had Magic Fingers and could use them to simulate the function of Levitate, then you could have two spells for the price of one. Properly applied, Magic Fingers could simulate a few other spells. An Illusion spell comes to mind... C'mon, guys. Innuendo 101. Anybody?! |
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Aug 16 2011, 07:16 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
If the Strength of the fingers was high enough then yes, but being picked up by a pair of hands is very unlikely to be as effective as levitate. Are they picking you up under the feet, under the armpits, by the clothing over your shoulders, by gripping your waist? I struggle to imagine any approach that would not call for a DP penalty to the subject. Speed of movement would be pretty poor too.
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Aug 16 2011, 11:27 AM
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Runner Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 |
Well, if all you want is levitate up the wall or down from a rooftop - can't see why not.
Actually, I'd allow that second usage case even for the Strength ratings not high enough to lift you. |
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Aug 16 2011, 01:38 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 15 2011, 11:50 PM) Which should clue you in that it shouldn't do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Well, Levitate also does what Fling does. |
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Aug 16 2011, 01:55 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 07:38 AM) Well, Levitate also does what Fling does. Sort of. |
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Aug 16 2011, 02:05 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 03:38 PM) Well, Levitate also does what Fling does. Not really. Dropping anvils on people will work with levitate. Propelling light objects to high speeds for damage won't. |
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Aug 16 2011, 06:24 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (Levitate, page 210 SR4A, second paragraph) Objects flung into other things should be handled as a Ranged Attack Test (see Fling)... Not exactly like, but nearly so. All it's missing is the Strength = 1/2 Magic caveat. |
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Aug 16 2011, 06:29 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 08:24 PM) Not exactly like, but nearly so. All it's missing is the Strength = 1/2 Magic caveat. How much damage can a light object at 20 m/round=24 km/h (Force 5, 5 hits) do? |
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Aug 16 2011, 06:31 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
Damage codes aren't given, but we have a precedent in the description of Levitate to refer to Fling.
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Aug 16 2011, 06:36 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
Yeah I know that line but It still seems weird that for example pencils of playing cards at that speed should do damage. It's much easier to imagine using heavy objects and drop them, using the ranged attack test to see if the anvil or other object is on target.
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Aug 16 2011, 06:45 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
If I get 5 net successes with a F6 spell to move a chair, it's going at 10 meters a second. If that hits someone, it'll hurt. If I do it with a pencil, a pencil going 10 meters a second creats a good amount of PSI at the tip (or heck, even the eraser).
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Aug 16 2011, 08:59 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,431 Joined: 3-December 03 Member No.: 5,872 |
That is only 36 KPH, unless it is designed as a weapon or hits in a really awesome part of the body a small object really wont do much. On the other hand 200kgs of hard object moving 36 kph would sting.
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Aug 17 2011, 12:18 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 16 2011, 03:59 PM) That is only 36 KPH, unless it is designed as a weapon or hits in a really awesome part of the body a small object really wont do much. On the other hand 200kgs of hard object moving 36 kph would sting. I guess. It comes out to about 33 feet per second, which is 1/1000 the speed of a bullet. |
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Aug 17 2011, 08:01 AM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
It should be considered that kinetic energy is 1/2*m*v².
So a bullet moving with half the speed has only 1/4 of the energy... So your 1/1000 the speed of the bullet would leave you with 1/1.000.000 the energy of a bullet (if we assume same mass). |
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Aug 17 2011, 03:26 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 |
So then... what's the base DV of an item thrown with Levitate?
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