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> Magic Fingers, Can you pick yourself up?
Stormdrake
post Aug 15 2011, 07:38 PM
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Magic Fingers as it is written does not preclude picking oneís self up and moving yourself, or does it? May seem a little silly but I canít see in the RAW were you could not do this. Is it munchkin? Yes but do the rules preclude it?
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post Aug 15 2011, 07:40 PM
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I dunno. How much do "you" weigh? How much can the magic fingers pick up?
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post Aug 15 2011, 07:48 PM
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Strength equal to number of hits on your spell test. So unless you're really lightweight, or tossing a hugely powerful spell, probably not.
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post Aug 15 2011, 07:49 PM
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Maybe you can give yourself a pick-me-up, make yourself smile when you're down...
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post Aug 15 2011, 08:06 PM
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Just use Levitate instead?
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post Aug 15 2011, 08:36 PM
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Yes you can.
Because if reaction would apply, there would be a hell of other problems.
(Normally the strength of a mage is not that high to support magic fingers...)
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post Aug 15 2011, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 15 2011, 05:06 PM) *
Just use Levitate instead?


What? Why would anyone do the reasonable thing?
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post Aug 15 2011, 09:05 PM
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It works for pixies, but what's the point since they can already fly?
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post Aug 16 2011, 04:38 AM
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QUOTE (Elfenlied @ Aug 15 2011, 03:06 PM) *
Just use Levitate instead?

An obvious option, but if you had Magic Fingers and could use them to simulate the function of Levitate, then you could have two spells for the price of one.
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post Aug 16 2011, 04:50 AM
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Which should clue you in that it shouldn't do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE (pbangarth @ Aug 16 2011, 05:38 AM) *
An obvious option, but if you had Magic Fingers and could use them to simulate the function of Levitate, then you could have two spells for the price of one.

Properly applied, Magic Fingers could simulate a few other spells. An Illusion spell comes to mind...

C'mon, guys. Innuendo 101. Anybody?!
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post Aug 16 2011, 07:16 AM
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If the Strength of the fingers was high enough then yes, but being picked up by a pair of hands is very unlikely to be as effective as levitate. Are they picking you up under the feet, under the armpits, by the clothing over your shoulders, by gripping your waist? I struggle to imagine any approach that would not call for a DP penalty to the subject. Speed of movement would be pretty poor too.
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post Aug 16 2011, 11:27 AM
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Well, if all you want is levitate up the wall or down from a rooftop - can't see why not.
Actually, I'd allow that second usage case even for the Strength ratings not high enough to lift you.
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post Aug 16 2011, 01:38 PM
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 15 2011, 11:50 PM) *
Which should clue you in that it shouldn't do that. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Well, Levitate also does what Fling does.
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post Aug 16 2011, 01:55 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 07:38 AM) *
Well, Levitate also does what Fling does.


Sort of.
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post Aug 16 2011, 02:05 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 03:38 PM) *
Well, Levitate also does what Fling does.
Not really. Dropping anvils on people will work with levitate. Propelling light objects to high speeds for damage won't.
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:24 PM
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QUOTE (Levitate, page 210 SR4A, second paragraph)
Objects flung into other things should be handled as a Ranged Attack Test (see Fling)...

Not exactly like, but nearly so. All it's missing is the Strength = 1/2 Magic caveat.
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Aug 16 2011, 08:24 PM) *
Not exactly like, but nearly so. All it's missing is the Strength = 1/2 Magic caveat.
How much damage can a light object at 20 m/round=24 km/h (Force 5, 5 hits) do?
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:31 PM
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Damage codes aren't given, but we have a precedent in the description of Levitate to refer to Fling.
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:36 PM
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Yeah I know that line but It still seems weird that for example pencils of playing cards at that speed should do damage. It's much easier to imagine using heavy objects and drop them, using the ranged attack test to see if the anvil or other object is on target.
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post Aug 16 2011, 06:45 PM
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If I get 5 net successes with a F6 spell to move a chair, it's going at 10 meters a second. If that hits someone, it'll hurt. If I do it with a pencil, a pencil going 10 meters a second creats a good amount of PSI at the tip (or heck, even the eraser).
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post Aug 16 2011, 08:59 PM
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That is only 36 KPH, unless it is designed as a weapon or hits in a really awesome part of the body a small object really wont do much. On the other hand 200kgs of hard object moving 36 kph would sting.
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post Aug 17 2011, 12:18 AM
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QUOTE (Shinobi Killfist @ Aug 16 2011, 03:59 PM) *
That is only 36 KPH, unless it is designed as a weapon or hits in a really awesome part of the body a small object really wont do much. On the other hand 200kgs of hard object moving 36 kph would sting.

I guess. It comes out to about 33 feet per second, which is 1/1000 the speed of a bullet.
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post Aug 17 2011, 08:01 AM
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It should be considered that kinetic energy is 1/2*m*v≤.
So a bullet moving with half the speed has only 1/4 of the energy...
So your 1/1000 the speed of the bullet would leave you with 1/1.000.000 the energy of a bullet (if we assume same mass).
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post Aug 17 2011, 03:26 PM
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So then... what's the base DV of an item thrown with Levitate?
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