[X] My Assistant

[ElFenrir]

It's in Street Legends, actually. Stuff still didn't happen in the trilogy.

I feel like I missed the interesting stuff of her story now. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)

On the flipside, I hate the character less now. Say what you will about CGL, they did that better than WizKids.

Keep in mind, this was most likely done with Magic or a sword. Colt has a three strength and a three unarmed combat. There is no way the arms were lost in *just* fisticuffs. If not magic, then this was likely done with a sword(which she has a decent enough skill in). So I'd say Dirk still stands an extremely good chance in that situation; even with a 5 agility, Colt is not particularly a super impressive physical specimen without a blade. Solid with natural agility but not limb-removing.

Now, if *magic* were involved? Changes everything. Same if weapons were allowed.

As for Harlequin and Mr. The Scribe, Harle hands down. (I hope they keep him unstatted as well. I like my image of Harle. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )

I think Wolfgang would take the other Wolf. Wolfgang Kies is pretty badass when he wants to be.

[CanRay]

It was Twist, not Dirk, that I had up against Colt.

[ElFenrir]

Whoops. Allergy meds and yesterday's party sorta made me misread that for some reason. Heh.

Still, though-assuming NO magic and NO weapons? That would equalize it more even with Twist's code against killing(I sadly don't have his stats in front of me though, so I don't know what level he fights on with no weapons or spells). If actual spellcasting were allowed I'd give it to Colt at that point.

[CanRay]

We've never had Twist's stats, thus Twist Vs. Colt is a legit fight, as we now have stats for Kellen.

[ElFenrir]

That's right-only one of the two combatants is allowed to have official stats. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That does make things interesting, I admit. Though it does also fall into ''Numbers Evaluation'' somewhat with the person who *is* statted, naturally, just not to the extent of if both of the combatants involved were statted, in which case it could end up an actual die-rolling contest. With only one statted, one can take a look at one of the person's stats and make an educated guess what they can do in a fistfight, and then figure out the other from story alone.

Pretty fun though. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Saint Hallow]

This is a fistfight. Twist doesn't need to kill her to win.

Magic... Colt is super strong, but Twist was chosen by Dog. Twist did a Ghost Dance & used it to stop Insect spirits and nukes. Yup, nukes.
Weapons... Colt would own Twist if she got her hands on a blade. Twist has never used any melee weapons. He'd opt for a stun baton, but would be outlcassed.
Fistfight... Dunno about this one. I think Twist is physically bigger than Colt. He's taller & heavier, but not necessarily stronger. He'd probably go down after the first kick to the groin from Colt, but if he was able to keep going after that, he'd be punching, backhanding, & up to angry brawling mindset no problem.

[ElFenrir]

Fistfights are always iffy if the people are equalish on stats, since it very well at that point goes down to who ends up just giving up the ghost faster. At the same time, when you're dealing with people with insaneo magic and resources and the like it's one of the best ways to reduce it down to the base.

Now, not all mages are bad at fighting of course. Serrin is highly skilled in Carromeleg as well as having solid physical stats. But in Twists and Colt's case, neither of them are particularly hard-bitten pro unarmed fighters, so they're pretty IMO equal(again, not wanting to kill doesn't mean you're a bad fighter-if anything, simple fisticuffs is a good way to not kill someone, and groin attacks can hurt.)

Then you get the opposite end of things like Ehran vs. Harlequin, both of which likely have perfected their physical beings in every way since, being 4000 years old, you have to start working on *something*, and skill-wise, the same. I still think that for some reason Harle would have put more elbow grease into his toughness, strength and speed, so that's why I hand him that unarmed victory.

[Neurosis]

Assuming that all other things are equal (ha fraggin' ha) I BELIEVE that the fluff actually mentioned that Ehran was physically bigger and stronger and more imposing.

Also I am a bit confused by the 30:1 Harlequin: Ehran ratio up in this bit. Did you guys forget that the 'first' time those two threw down, Ehran decisively won?

[CanRay]

Yeah, but that was, when, during the Renaissance era?

And don't forget his reaction...

[Warlordtheft]

A dropbear or an abrahms lobster?

Buttercup vs Lofwyr?

[Neurosis]

Yeah, but that was, when, during the Renaissance era?

And don't forget his reaction...

You mean three to five centuries of brooding plus 8+ full adventures of intricate byzantine obscure indirect revenge scheme resulting in him tutoring/boning the guy's daughter?

Pretty awesome, as far as massive overreactions go, and my all time favorite SR adventure. But in terms of relevance to a fistfight? Close to zero.

The actual sword fights are the closest to being relevant, and on those they're tied up. (One ear each.)

[CanRay]

On the flipside, Harley is up on boning! Which puts him in the winner's spotlight, no matter how you look at it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[Czar Eggbert]

Ork Decker/Hacker Fistfight: Bull (The Best Ork Hacker You Never Met) vs. Max (Aftershock)

And, yes, we hid Bull's Panther Assault Cannon so he can't cheat. That one too. That one too. That one too. That one too...

Bull has stats... I don't know what they are, but I can almost guarantee if you look on the old ShadowRN list you can find a version of him.


The Eggman

[CanRay]

Eggman, Bull just got updated stats in the second-to-latest book. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Max, however, does not have stats, so this is a legit suggestion.

[Czar Eggbert]

Eggman, Bull just got updated stats in the second-to-latest book. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

Max, however, does not have stats, so this is a legit suggestion.

Crap... now I have to go buy another book. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotfl.gif)

The Eggman