 Improvised and DIY Warfare in Libya, ...for when your players ask "The gangers have WHAT?" |
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  Aug 22 2011, 11:15 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 557 Joined: 26-July 09 From: Kent, WA Member No.: 17,426  |
http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2011/06...-rebels/100086/
A great photo series showing rebels rebuilding scavenged/captured weapons for use against the government. My personal favorite is the pickup-mounted rocket pod. RIGGER 2074, Maybe? |
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Aug 22 2011, 11:53 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,654 Joined: 29-October 06 Member No.: 9,731 |
Necessity is the mother of invention, and all that.
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Aug 22 2011, 11:59 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Do not F*** with rednecks, no matter where they come from.
A bunch of civilians with scrap equipment and jury-rigged combat vehicles versus armed mercenaries and a nutbar ruler who fights to hold onto whatever power he can. Even the peaceful folks had some damned good ideas that I'll be stealing for games, and was even more damned happy to see. Too many Non-Violent folks just don't get into situations at all. Run hard and fast, Qaddafi. 'Bout the only chance you got. Additional: People fighting for a cause tend to have a bit more to fight for than folks fighting just for money. And this has been proven yet again. Also, there's only so far you can push a person. Pushing people, that's an even bigger whuppin'. ... Do they have woodsheds in Libya? |
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Aug 23 2011, 04:52 AM
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Creating a god with his own hands Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 |
they are hardly "rednecks" now. the last few months of stalemate have been spent training with NATO SF advisers.
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Aug 23 2011, 07:02 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 770 Joined: 19-August 11 From: Middle-Eastern Europe Member No.: 36,268 |
Wonder how many of them play video games. If I got my hands on that FN F2000, I'd only go "MINE!" and then run off to source more ammo for it. Nothing like some reckless samfishery for the greater good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Aug 23 2011, 09:52 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,654 Joined: 29-October 06 Member No.: 9,731 |
I wondered why that gun looked so familiar.
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Aug 23 2011, 11:51 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Seriously Mike @ Aug 23 2011, 04:02 AM)  Wonder how many of them play video games. If I got my hands on that FN F2000, I'd only go "MINE!" and then run off to source more ammo for it. Nothing like some reckless samfishery for the greater good. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I know what you mean. That's a sexy piece of weapon right there. |
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Aug 23 2011, 01:15 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 770 Joined: 19-August 11 From: Middle-Eastern Europe Member No.: 36,268 |
Hey, I'll throw together an airsoft version of this baby when I can afford it!
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Aug 23 2011, 01:36 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Fix-it @ Aug 23 2011, 06:52 AM) they are hardly "rednecks" now. the last few months of stalemate have been spent training with NATO SF advisers. And have had NATO air support for some time. |
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Aug 23 2011, 02:19 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Fix-it @ Aug 22 2011, 11:52 PM) they are hardly "rednecks" now. the last few months of stalemate have been spent training with NATO SF advisers. Which makes them Rednecks with training. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Sometimes by fellow Rednecks from the USA and Canada! QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 23 2011, 08:36 AM) And have had NATO air support for some time. I liked how the French showed complete contempt by dropping concrete training bombs on the tanks. "I'm sorry, you're not even worth the price of explosive ordinance. Now run away before we bomb and taunt you a second time!"
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Aug 23 2011, 02:24 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 23 2011, 07:19 AM) Sometimes by fellow Rednecks from the USA and Canada!I liked how the French showed complete contempt by dropping concrete training bombs on the tanks. "I'm sorry, you're not even worth the price of explosive ordinance. Now run away before we bomb and taunt you a second time!" Heh... STILL laughing at that line... |
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Aug 23 2011, 02:44 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
"Oh, you have not learned your lesson, you silly mercenary types? Fetche la vache!!!"
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Aug 23 2011, 02:45 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 23 2011, 04:19 PM) Which makes them Rednecks with training. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Sometimes by fellow Rednecks from the USA and Canada!I liked how the French showed complete contempt by dropping concrete training bombs on the tanks. "I'm sorry, you're not even worth the price of explosive ordinance. Now run away before we bomb and taunt you a second time!" Just think if them as a forerunner to Thor shots. 250KG at terminal velocity is likely to leave quite a dent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Aug 23 2011, 04:25 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,082 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
Damn, now I want to drop what I'm doing and complete my campaign notes on homemade AT weapons (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
The occupational safety standards in pic No. 14 are also great |
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Aug 24 2011, 09:47 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 92 Joined: 20-March 10 From: Around the Ley Lines on the 'moors. Great Britain. Member No.: 18,323 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 23 2011, 03:45 PM) Just think if them as a forerunner to Thor shots. 250KG at terminal velocity is likely to leave quite a dent (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Ah yes kenetic energy, gotta love the physics. |
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Aug 24 2011, 09:53 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
Not only terminal velocity, but even beyond it, the concrete bombs have guiding systems and propulsion, which means it has gravity plus fuel increasing its velocity.
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Aug 24 2011, 10:24 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Aug 24 2011, 04:53 PM) Not only terminal velocity, but even beyond it, the concrete bombs have guiding systems and propulsion, which means it has gravity plus fuel increasing its velocity. Which cost more than the bomb. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Aug 24 2011, 10:36 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Aug 24 2011, 04:53 PM) Not only terminal velocity, but even beyond it, the concrete bombs have guiding systems and propulsion, which means it has gravity plus fuel increasing its velocity. Most inert bombs don't have a propulsion system. They do have a guidance system, but no propulsion. It doesn't make them any less nasty. Kinetic Energy is a bitch. |
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Aug 24 2011, 11:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Aug 24 2011, 07:24 PM) Which cost more than the bomb. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Yes they do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Guidance System: U$30.000 Propulsion System: U$20.000 Concrete Payload: U$500 Destroying Khadaffi Tanks with concrete bombs: Priceless. For everything else there's NERPS. |
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Aug 24 2011, 11:21 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
US$50,000+ to take out a T-54/55 that probably cost less than half that... Or less. *Shakes Head*
Of course, a friend of mine was in a tank that used a 120mm HE shell against one guy with a 9-volt battery, so I guess I shouldn't throw stones. Or concrete training bombs. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Aug 25 2011, 12:13 AM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Aug 25 2011, 01:10 AM) Yes they do (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Guidance System: U$30.000 Propulsion System: U$20.000 Concrete Payload: U$500 Destroying Khadaffi Tanks with concrete bombs: Priceless For everything else there's NERPS. Source? A bomb is separated from a rocket or a missile by the fact that it do not have a propulsion system. Once it is dropped it is just inertia inherited from the aircraft and gravity that is acting on it (tho if there is a guidance system, it got movable tail fins so it can alter its flight path to some degree). |
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Aug 25 2011, 08:18 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 770 Joined: 19-August 11 From: Middle-Eastern Europe Member No.: 36,268 |
Also, I got idea for another chase in my campaign. This time, if players pass a Pilot Watercraft test, they can maneuver their opponents' speedboat armed with a jury-rigged missile pod to cook the following jetski-riders with backblast.
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Aug 25 2011, 12:26 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Aug 24 2011, 09:13 PM) Source? A bomb is separated from a rocket or a missile by the fact that it do not have a propulsion system. Once it is dropped it is just inertia inherited from the aircraft and gravity that is acting on it (tho if there is a guidance system, it got movable tail fins so it can alter its flight path to some degree). Sorry, I wasn't being literal. Yes, bombs don't have propulsion systems but in Brazil we usually mean to any air-to-ground weaponry that is not a gun as a 'bomb'. But there are lots of air-to-groun missiles (AGM) and those do have propulsion system. The price I wrote were just from my head, since after a quick research I could find AGM as cheap as U$70k. |
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Aug 25 2011, 01:11 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
So a unguided rocket, say from a rocket pod, would be considered a bomb in Brazil?
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Aug 25 2011, 01:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 770 Joined: 19-August 11 From: Middle-Eastern Europe Member No.: 36,268 |
Hey, they consider Everquest a "murder simulator", cut them some slack.
But I wonder, what next, Taurus PT92 considered a "machine gun"? |
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